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  • completelyhis
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    My wife was comparing woot.com and walmart the other day. I told her that i only actually make a purchase 1/15th of the times I go to woot (daily), and have an average woot expendature of less than $2/day. Then I began to compare that to her walmart stats. She playfully grumbled something about stats and rolled over, feigning to be asleep. :-)

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  • drozwood90
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    Originally posted by neiltimms View Post
    Martin, surely that would only matter if the IR emitters were on all the time. If they are off during the day then there is no IR to be filtered.
    Again, i'm no expert either!

    Ian, she actually didn't seem to mind at all (of course i noticed a few online purchases at Ann Taylor the next day )

    The SUN makes quite a bit of IR. The cutoff filters (mechanical ones) are a lens that is inside the camera, which allows more sensative CCDs to not get sun blindness during the day. Then at night, allows the CCD to see closer to the IR waveband (not thermal) by mechanically going in and out.

    --Dan

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  • neiltimms
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    Originally posted by AutomatedOutlet View Post
    Not an expert at this so I'll quote from a camera manufacturer that offers this feature
    Martin, surely that would only matter if the IR emitters were on all the time. If they are off during the day then there is no IR to be filtered.
    Again, i'm no expert either!

    Ian, she actually didn't seem to mind at all (of course i noticed a few online purchases at Ann Taylor the next day )

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  • completelyhis
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    anxiously awaiting your opinion/discovery, Neil, on the fps being shared dynamically or statically, as well as night vision performance. if you like it, i'm gettin one. btw, how'd it go telling her, cuz i'll have to burn that bridge when i get there as well (better to ask forgiveness than permisison)

    Ian

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  • AutomatedOutlet
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    Originally posted by neiltimms View Post
    What do you mean by a mechanical shut off? What exactly is being shut off?
    Not an expert at this so I'll quote from a camera manufacturer that offers this feature

    The camera's dual-mode employs an automatically removable IR-cut filter mechanism, which enables superior imaging performance in both daytime and nighttime conditions. By day, the camera provides full color imaging with the IR-cut filter in place. As light levels fall, the camera automatically moves the IR-cut filter to the side and transitions to black and white mode with active infrared LED illumination, enabling full night vision capability.

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  • neiltimms
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    Well we shall find out soon enough, mine should be here this week.

    I was thinking that the fps is shared between active cameras. So if they only record on motion then there should only be 2-3 recording at a time. That's how i read it anyway.

    What do you mean by a mechanical shut off? What exactly is being shut off?

    Neil

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  • AutomatedOutlet
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    Originally posted by completelyhis View Post
    also, its not a huge deal if the IR emitters don't turn off, is it?
    Sorry, I forgot to address the second part of your question.Yes, the IRs will turn off on those cameras during the day. The issue is that some cameras also have a mechanical shutoff in the lens that will allow for better night image capturing.

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  • AutomatedOutlet
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    Yes, the 60 fps is shared but typically you have to pre-assign how many frames are dedicated to each camera. It's not a dynamic allocation.

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  • completelyhis
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    the 60fps is shared, but only shared by active cameras, right? so if only 1 or two cameras are on, they would be able to record at their full capability? if all 9 were on that would be pretty bad video quality, though, right?

    also, its not a huge deal if the IR emitters don't turn off, is it?

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  • AutomatedOutlet
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    I've really enjoyed reading this thread. As a father of 3 teenagers, I understand many of the challenges discussed.

    As an employer with currently 11 employees ranging in age from teenager to in their 60s (5 under 23, 1 in his 30s, 3 in 40s, 1 in 50s, 1 in 60s), I can really see the generational differences in work ethic, priorities, etc. It's something that most of us realize but is really much clearer to me now. I have 2 more people that will start this month as well (1 in 20s, 1 in 40s).

    As far as that camera/DVR set goes from Cosco goes, couple of comments.

    It is a pretty good deal for what you are getting but, there are some things you need to keep in mind.

    1) That DVR can only record 60 frames per second. 30 frames per second/per camera is full real time. On that combo package, if you split the frame rate across all 9 cameras, you are getting less than 7 frames per second. You really should have at least twice that much for proper viewing.

    2) Camera prices vary greatly and there are differences in the quality of the cameras. Although those cameras do have some small IRs on them, they do not have day/night shutoffs.

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  • jackpod
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    Originally posted by Wadenut View Post
    It seems common sense isn't all that common anymore. I had mine knocked into me... literally. Perhaps that's what's missing.

    In my school, they used a rubber strap and usually showed no mercy.

    Reading your post made me think of Mrs. Smitzer, in all my grade school years the only time we ever saw her smile was after some poor kid got his ^$$ beat. Evidently left an impression on me to remember her name 40+ years later... and she was so mean looking and ugly (ugly might be the reason she was mean)

    Jack

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  • Wadenut
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    Originally posted by jackpod View Post
    What ever happened to common sense?
    It seems common sense isn't all that common anymore. I had mine knocked into me... literally. Perhaps that's what's missing.

    In my school, they used a rubber strap and usually showed no mercy.

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  • completelyhis
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    I'll probably be right behind you...let me know when you get it setup and how it works and if you recomend it and all...but soon, the sale only lasts 2 more weeks! LOL

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  • neiltimms
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    Well, i just bought it.

    Now to tell the wife

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  • neiltimms
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    Originally posted by completelyhis View Post
    so with 420 lines, as the product description shows, I should be ok (if it works out). what about HS interconnectivity? anyone (Neil?) have experience with connecting dvr devices to HS? It seems like I could do it with either the alarm trigger inputs or the IR signals, probably even a combination thereof?
    Ian, i am certainly not an expert on this but my understanding is that yes a 420 TV Line camera would give you face recognition.

    My current setup gives my VERY basic access to my cameras from HS. I am not sure what could be done with this new system. I would think at the very least you could link to the webserver from HS to view the cameras.

    I am going to look into this in more detail tonight. It almost sounds too good to be true and i cannot find any customer reviews for this particular model.

    In any case it appears to be far better than the 4 camera system i currently have.

    Neil

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