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    where to put security cameras?

    I am sort of close to sheetrocking the basement, and I was thinking about running conduit for future placement of security cameras. right now i don't have any cameras at all. I'd like to have some, mainly for security. I know I should put several around the outside of the house, at every entrance, etc. and I was planning on putting one in the main living space upstairs and also in the main space in the basement, probably one in the garage.

    These all would be mainly for in case a bad guy breaks in, or even tries to. i know ther is the added use of like a pictorial record of who'se knocked at the door, etc, but that's not the main thing.

    does anyone go beyond that for security? Would anyone recommend putting cameras in bedrooms, for example? I feel a litte weird about the idea of that, but i just thought I'd ask!

    Thanks very much,

    Ian
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    #2
    My camera's are mostly all outside, Front, Rear, Sides of the house plus one to cover the front door specifically. I've not put any inside yet. Not that I wouldn't at some point but I figure if i tried to put one in the bedroom one of two things will happen, I'll get beat about the head and shoulders and find I'm the only one sleeping in the "camera'ed" room or, she'll like the idea and not only will I not be getting any sleep at all but I'll have to listen to a critique of my performance every morning. I don't see any middle ground and I'm not ready to risk either happening.
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      #3
      I have 5 cameras around the external of the house, there is NO WAY the wife and 2 girls would allow ANY camera INSIDE the house.

      In the past I did think about having one inside our porch, between the 2 doors but there are time when the wife has just got up and goes to the freezer in there so thats a no no... mind you, would that not be scary to visitors on the cameras ouch, wife just hit me LOL

      TrOjAn

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        #4
        The only indoor camera I have is in the garage. It watches the Trans Am and Harleys and is also another way to check and see if the door was left open when I get to work, although I have other reminders of this triggered by DS10s it's nice to have backups for false alarms.

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          #5
          Nightwalker - I'd be ok with the second option you presented, but would likely end up with the first option. I agree that bedrooms would be a hard sell, and I don't know how what I'd tell guests! I was thinking that if I did any indoor cameras, they would be in the living room type area, again, just for security and all.

          assuming i don't put any cameras on the inside, how is it that you get the cameras to activate on the outside? Do you have HS controlled motions on the outside, or are there motions hooked up to the camera system, or both?

          Ian
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            #6
            I suppose there are different types of cameras so what kind of cameras are you thinking of installing?

            I installed netcams and use the netcam plugin. The images are captured whenever their respective X10 motion sensors (tied into Homeseer) are triggered.

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              #7
              thinking about this one - 4 cameras. one at front door/front yard/driveway, one at back yard, one at side patio, and one in the garage.

              THe nice thing about it is that i don't have to preinstall anything for that because it all can go through the attic and down to the HS cave in the basement.

              Thanks,

              Ian

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                #8
                My camera's are you're basic CCTV camera's. Viewable on any TV in the house as well as a IP-9100 that lets be give them a web address. I use the motion sensor setup to snap a still pic every time motion is sensed. Beyond being able to view from within HS pages they're not really integrated. I've just never found a plug-in that works all that well yet. It would be nice to have triggers and such for camera's but that's another project down the road.
                Marty
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                  #9
                  I haven't gotten around to installing any cameras as of yet, at the entrances is good, but think like a criminal for a minute. Would you try to break in the front door? or the front room picture window? probably not, but you might consider the back of the house or any other hidden/obscure area around your house (back, sides) where ever there is an area that is not in direct view. All houses have windows/doors that aren't completely visible from the neighbors or the street. This is where I would put the cameras.

                  As far as inside cameras, yes it would be a hard sell but again, if someone did break in, the first place a criminal would go is the bedrooms as that is where people put their valuable items (jewelry, money etc) to ease the WAF (and other females in the house) have them watch the movie Colossus: The Forbin Project, even Colossus turned of it's cameras when the bedroom was occupied.

                  Nightwalker, at your age.... You da man!

                  And no, I am not a criminal... just have to think like one to protect myself from those that are
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                    #10
                    Hey Jack,
                    I was planning on putting some cameras in places where I could catch the whole length of the house, windows, doors, etc.

                    good points about where & how criminals go/think.

                    Ian
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                      #11
                      Having the misfortune to go to burglaries and realise how criminals have broken into properties, I would say 70-80% are via the back or side of the premises, either door/window, and unfortunately about 40% of those the point of entry was left insecure and as such they were probably avoidable.

                      Personally I would say cameras on all of the points of entry, driveway/pathway and an IR camera in the garden for night viewing.

                      Inside I would focus on less as long as you have adequate security measures (PIR's/Alarm or some other passive devices perhaps), although the garage is a good idea, you could also cover the back doors from the inside aswell, so if someone was successful at gaining entry then you would stand a second chance of seeing them inside aswell (better lit). Bedroom I would say was'nt that neccessary if you covered them getting in the first place...are you going to have a monitored alarm (sorry don't know how it works in the US...basically one where the police turn up) linked in to this aswell?

                      Could you ask a local professional security company to survey your property and then see what they suggest/steal their ideas?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mrhappy View Post
                        Could you ask a local professional security company to survey your property and then see what they suggest/steal their ideas?
                        Great line for a post about stealing/burglaries!
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by completelyhis View Post
                          Hey Jack,
                          I was planning on putting some cameras in places where I could catch the whole length of the house, windows, doors, etc.

                          good points about where & how criminals go/think.

                          Ian

                          Hi Ian,

                          Yes I agree that cameras maybe at each corner across the back and side of the house would work well

                          Too many years in network security has made me able to think like a crook
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                            #14
                            I use 13 CCTV cameras to provide external house parimeter coverage as well as in our basement utility room. The only other cameras we have inside the house are:

                            - Our dog Sasha's room (Laundry room) - Panasonic BL-C20
                            - Fishtank cam - Panasonic BLC1A
                            - on vacation I place a camera in the kitchen that can also view various parts of the 1st floor living space - Panasonic BB-HCM581

                            The BB-HCM581 is great to use to check in on the house, since it can turn almost 365 degrees and has a 30x optical zoom lense. Just to make sure we unplugged the toaster before heading out the door!
                            -Todd

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                              #15
                              I've had cameras in two houses for over a year now. Interior security cams work best covering staircase (crooks find it difficult to avoid these to get to the cash hidden under the bed). Exterior cams work best when pointed at the house rather than away from it, so fix to perimeter walls, trees, etc (which complicates cabling). It's also more reassuring to be able to look AT the house, instead of the garden path.

                              Wish the netcam plugin could stream images...

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