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  • mterry63
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    I posted my efforts with the Flume API here https://forums.homeseer.com/forum/ho...e2#post1403347

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  • cc4005
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    Originally posted by sparkman View Post

    Do you have a space constraint that’s prohibiting installation on the sprinkler line? It does make things much easier that way.
    The irrigation and house lines split immediately after the meter, near the front of the property. The house line then goes into the garage for the water softener then on into the house. That one's easy. The irrigation immediately branches after the split at the meter so it's dedicated meter and pulse reader need to be out near the main meter (in a new in-ground box, but that's not a big deal). I could use the flume there but I'd really prefer a hard-wired solution if possible since wireless is giving me intermittent problems. And the flume device doesn't have HS3 integration at this point, though hopefully that will change. If I'm honest with myself hard-wired isn't realistic because the location is within a circle drive, and even getting out of the house is fairly painful. There's a 120V receptacle out there for an old gate operator, but there's a fault in the u/g somewhere--it trips the GFI from time to time when I've tried to use it.

    It's solvable, just haven't fully studied it yet. Ideas are welcome.

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  • sparkman
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    Originally posted by cc4005 View Post

    This is the direction I'm leaning, but haven't figured out a good means of adding a separate meter and monitor on the irrigation line. Our yard is relatively small, and irrigation leaks unlikely to go undetected for a great length of time, but I still want to be able to monitor both. The household line is the priority, though.

    One option is to keep the flume monitor on the main, add a 2nd monitor on the household line, and let logic determine whether there's water flowing in the irrigation system. The primary shortcoming is that the automation would have to know that there should be no household water use in order to evaluate irrigation flow--which isn't necessarily straightforward.
    Do you have a space constraint that’s prohibiting installation on the sprinkler line? It does make things much easier that way. HS knows when the sprinklers are supposed to be on so it’s easy to match flow to that and alert (and shut off the water valve) if there is an issue. For house usage, I mainly alert/control the valve if there’s flow when no one is home and the rest of the time leak detection is done by sensors.

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  • cc4005
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    Originally posted by sparkman View Post

    I have two separate meters, one on the sprinklers and one for the house, for that reason.
    This is the direction I'm leaning, but haven't figured out a good means of adding a separate meter and monitor on the irrigation line. Our yard is relatively small, and irrigation leaks unlikely to go undetected for a great length of time, but I still want to be able to monitor both. The household line is the priority, though.

    One option is to keep the flume monitor on the main, add a 2nd monitor on the household line, and let logic determine whether there's water flowing in the irrigation system. The primary shortcoming is that the automation would have to know that there should be no household water use in order to evaluate irrigation flow--which isn't necessarily straightforward.

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  • sparkman
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    Originally posted by simonmason View Post

    Are you thinking of moving it after the sprinkler because you want to monitor the house only or because the sprinkler kicking in gives the impression that there is a leak? I would want mine to monitor the sprinkler and the house. The reason I am looking at this is because I had a burst pipe on the sprinkler system yesterday and I gushed water for over 24 hours before figuring it out. It was in the back corner of the house where no one goes.
    I have two separate meters, one on the sprinklers and one for the house, for that reason.

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  • simonmason
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    Originally posted by cc4005 View Post

    I'm considering installing a separate pulse meter on the house line and move the flume to that meter so I can monitor for problems in the house independent of whether my sprinklers are on.
    Are you thinking of moving it after the sprinkler because you want to monitor the house only or because the sprinkler kicking in gives the impression that there is a leak? I would want mine to monitor the sprinkler and the house. The reason I am looking at this is because I had a burst pipe on the sprinkler system yesterday and I gushed water for over 24 hours before figuring it out. It was in the back corner of the house where no one goes.

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  • cc4005
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    Originally posted by simonmason View Post
    Hi - just jumping on this thread. Steam Labs is $600. Flume is $169 and a z-wave shutoff valve is $35-125. So other than the fact that you would need to talk to the API to know that something was amiss in order to shut the water off, it would achieve the same result at half the price?
    Yes, I believe so, although I can't speak to the relative reliability an accuracy of the two monitors. I know that my flume occasionally loses connection between the pulse reader and the hub, but that's not surprising given they're some distance apart and separated by 2 stone/plaster walls and a cast iron, in-ground meter box. There's a chance notification of water running could be delayed for some time period with my flume configuration, but the comm issues aren't frequent nor long-lasting typically.

    Right now the flume is on my utility meter which meters both irrigation and in-home water--which split immediately after the meter. I'm considering installing a separate pulse meter on the house line and move the flume to that meter so I can monitor for problems in the house independent of whether my sprinklers are on. That takes away monitoring for leaks in the irrigation system so haven't fully decided whether to make the change. Another upside to the change is I can put the new pulse meter in my garage near my water softener and much closer to the hub.

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  • simonmason
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    Hi - just jumping on this thread. Steam Labs is $600. Flume is $169 and a z-wave shutoff valve is $35-125. So other than the fact that you would need to talk to the API to know that something was amiss in order to shut the water off, it would achieve the same result at half the price?

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  • cc4005
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    Originally posted by smcwilliams View Post
    I just installed Flume...took less than five minutes using the iPhone app, then enabled the Alexa skill from the Alexa app. There was a delay of about 10 min until Alexa recognized it had the new skill (that of course an Amazon thing) then I could ask Flume about water running, usage etc. There is a place in the Flume web interface to generate an API key if you need it. Flume has an API Guide and API Route Documentation on their website. API Type is REST, Cloud to Cloud and API Authentication is OAuth2 Password Grant.
    I purchased and installed one of these a couple weeks ago. Was almost free after local water utility rebate. (With the caveat that they have access to my usage data, of course.) Perused the API docs a bit, but not having done anything of that nature before I haven't tried HS3 integration. Guessing something like Big5 may be a good approach, but I'd gladly support anyone interested in developing a PI specifically for it.

    https://flumetech.readme.io/reference
    https://flumetech.readme.io/docs
    https://flumetech.readme.io/docs/querying-samples

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  • smcwilliams
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    I just installed Flume...took less than five minutes using the iPhone app, then enabled the Alexa skill from the Alexa app. There was a delay of about 10 min until Alexa recognized it had the new skill (that of course an Amazon thing) then I could ask Flume about water running, usage etc. There is a place in the Flume web interface to generate an API key if you need it. Flume has an API Guide and API Route Documentation on their website. API Type is REST, Cloud to Cloud and API Authentication is OAuth2 Password Grant.

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  • risquare
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    Originally posted by OBH Peter View Post
    The Streamlabs unit DOES offer API access, so if someone wants to get it talking to Homeseer it would seem feasible.

    https://developer.streamlabswater.com/docs/index.html
    Consider it done. Big5 plug-in works with JSON APIs (the kind they have) over HTTP seamlessly.

    On another note you may check with your Insurance Company. They may reduce your premium if you have one of these installed (especially the ones with shut-off actuator).

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  • GadgetBoySI
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    Originally posted by OBH Peter View Post

    The Streamlabs unit DOES offer API access, so if someone wants to get it talking to Homeseer it would seem feasible.

    https://developer.streamlabswater.com/docs/index.html
    My device arrived in the mail today and I set it up. There is an API available from the settings menu...

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  • GadgetBoySI
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    I just purchased the Flume from Amazon - I noticed in the comments that the manufacturer is stating they are very close to rolling out an API... I'm looking forward to installing the device.

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  • OBH Peter
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    I also purchased one of each for comparison. Both were very easy to install in my case. Both were able to notify me when there was suspicious water flow activity. I collected water usage data from each and compared to the mechanical "water company" meter readings. NEITHER tracked the utility company Neptune T-10 meter's gallons very closely (10-15% higher than the Neptune on each reading). I can understand that being the case for the ultrasonic unit, but the Flume is monitoring the coupling magnet that drives the mechanical digit display, so it should be quite consistently accurate. The vendor suggested a possible RF interference issue, so I will be doing some relocation of the receiver.

    After three weeks of comparison I put the Streamlabs up at a mountainside house with well water- it seems to be working as designed up there, and I have no utility meter to compare to and worry about the differences in readings! I am going to re-install the Flume and have it re-calibrate to see if it gets closer to the Neptune meter this time.

    The Streamlabs unit DOES offer API access, so if someone wants to get it talking to Homeseer it would seem feasible.

    https://developer.streamlabswater.com/docs/index.html

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  • Grak
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    Thanks for your replies

    Beerguy: did you encounter any difficulty from your water utility before or after you installed it?

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