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  • ecetron
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    Ok folks - status update. I bought the relay and I bought the Zen17... wow... one of the easiest upgrades ever. I had one of the alarms that happened to be installed into a junction box in the ceiling -- and exposed in the attic. I was able to wire nut the input side of the relay (white/black/orange) right to the detector. And the other side (blue/brown) right into the Zen17 dry contact input. I then set the Zen17 into CO alarm mode and poof, it all works like a charm. Alarm goes off and lights come on.

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  • ecetron
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    Not sure what kind of Smoke Alarms you have, but most have a latching indicator light so you can identify which unit is seat of the alert. I spend a LOT of time as a firefighter searching houses with various systems (both interconnected and independent) trying to find that elusive indicator light that is 'different'. While it is a pain, I have seen the very unfortunate results of no smoke detectors or independent ones that don't all go off together. 'nuff said

    As for the using a door/window sensor, i would not recommend it. Yes they have the inputs but they are a pain to hook to and seem unreliable. I tried it and decided that a dedicated input device is easier to install/wire, program and monitor. And it is about the same cost.

    And finally (grin) the Relay is 120V on the CONTROL side (the Smoke/CO Detector side) not the relay side. That side are just dry contacts which can utilize any voltage basically -- or feed directly in as dry contacts into the Zooz device...

    The only downside to this is that there is no way to determine Smoke vs CO alerts... but then again the whole idea is to get folks awake and moving and let the tell the alert via the sound the alarms are giving.... Homeseer is your SECONDARY alert mechanism, not the PRIMARY.

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  • TeleFragger
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    Originally posted by ecetron View Post
    Great idea -- i found this for my First Alert ones -- https://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-R.../dp/B0039PF21U and then I can feed it right into this https://www.amazon.com/Universal-ZEN...96LLL1C6&psc=1 and poof z-wave alert with the interconnected units.... I can then have lights go on inside so we get get outside and the outside lights for first responders coming in...
    I am late to the game and always wanted to setup something like this...

    I can just buy the ones that tie into my alarm system, since I have the concord 4 and concord 4 plugin (free) and poof instant smoke detectors with emails, etc...

    BUT that does not solve the issue I have with the standard wired smokes. Last night at 1am, our smokes went off and we ran around the house... 2nd floor to 1st floor to basement and nadda...
    Then I went to bed and 20 minutes later went off again!!!!

    not sure what is going on and our smokes are not that old. we have replaced, i believe all of them, within the last 3y and the new wired ones do not have replaceable batteries....


    so for this solution... I could just by any plugin style smoke or is there a specific one?
    where would you put the zooz?my basement is either the first or last smoke and my Homeseer box is on the opposite side of the basement but i can run wires to it if needed.....

    just thinking and trying to put things together.


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    In addition after reading the comments by people for the relay... most are saying they just used a z-wave door/windows sensor for the relay to connect to and that is paired into HS so if it goes off, then that device triggers...

    it says that it is 120v ac relay.. so the zwave device can handle that much current? doubt a ds10a could?? if so, could use one of those

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  • ecetron
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    Great idea -- i found this for my First Alert ones -- https://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-R.../dp/B0039PF21U and then I can feed it right into this https://www.amazon.com/Universal-ZEN...96LLL1C6&psc=1 and poof z-wave alert with the interconnected units.... I can then have lights go on inside so we get get outside and the outside lights for first responders coming in...

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  • lveatch
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    The best solution I was able to devise was to connect a Kiddie SM-120x relay to my Kiddie interconnected smoke detector in the basement. It was the end unit of the chain. I then connected a z-wave door/window sensor to the relay contacts to, at a minimum, get notified of the smoke alarm is triggered.

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  • wpiman
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    Originally posted by Dweber85rc View Post

    Hardwired smoke alarms get very little love in almost every way when it comes to "smart". There has only ever been 1 hardwired that I ever found that was smart and could maybe Integrate into HS, and that was the Nest one. But at $200 a pop who is going to do that in a multiform house? I have 7 smoke alarms in my home. I also have problems with bugs getting in and tripping the alarm. Nobody makes one with a built in bug screen either. Wireless ones do though. But to meet code in my area, have to have hardwired.
    Don't the wire ones communicate on the wires so they all go off?

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  • Dweber85rc
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    Originally posted by ecetron View Post
    also see this on Amazon -- https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Detect...61&sr=8-5&th=1

    I would replace my existing ones First Alert ones but they are AC powered (with battery backup). Now to find ones that are both AC and Z-wave...
    Hardwired smoke alarms get very little love in almost every way when it comes to "smart". There has only ever been 1 hardwired that I ever found that was smart and could maybe Integrate into HS, and that was the Nest one. But at $200 a pop who is going to do that in a multiform house? I have 7 smoke alarms in my home. I also have problems with bugs getting in and tripping the alarm. Nobody makes one with a built in bug screen either. Wireless ones do though. But to meet code in my area, have to have hardwired.

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  • ecetron
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    Originally posted by wpiman View Post
    I have the Fire alarm listener. It works great.
    Do you know if it works with the BRK/First Alert SC9120B alarms? From reading the Listener, it seems it responds to tone. The SC9120B gives 3 beeps for Fire and 4 for CO... not sure that will trigger the listener...

    One of the nice features of the hardwired units is that they all go off at once..

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  • wpiman
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    I have the Fire alarm listener. It works great.

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  • TC1
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    Originally posted by ecetron View Post

    I would replace my existing ones First Alert ones but they are AC powered (with battery backup). Now to find ones that are both AC and Z-wave...
    You will not find any.

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  • TC1
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    +1 for the Costco 3-pack, it lowers the price to < $30 a unit. Being Z-wave for me is an advantage since my HS4 platform is a laptop on a UPS, so all kinds of alerts and actions can be triggered, even if AC power fails. Turn on all lights, unlock doors, trigger alarms, send emails, etc.

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  • ecetron
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    also see this on Amazon -- https://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Detect...61&sr=8-5&th=1

    I would replace my existing ones First Alert ones but they are AC powered (with battery backup). Now to find ones that are both AC and Z-wave...

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  • spknapp
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    FWIW - Costco has a 3-pack of the Z-Wave detectors on sale for $79.99 through 9/20. I'll be getting some to replace my oldest ones.

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  • jgreenberg01
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    Originally posted by gmitch64 View Post

    Well, it looks like they've been discontinued from several places, and it looks like Lowes and HomeDepot don't carry them any more, so I'm thinking that they're on their way out. As you say, Zwave isn't too popular in the consumer market.

    I've also been looking at a linked set of alarms something like these...

    https://www.amazon.com/Kidde-P4010DC.../dp/B076X6J5CM

    and then using this

    https://www.amazon.com/Ecolink-Wirel.../dp/B071Z8NM8N

    for HS to pick up on the alert.
    It has the advantage of only needing a single listener for all the alarms
    , so I can put that somewhere out of the way, but close to my Zwave hub, and not have 2 sets of detectors in the house. The downside is that HS won't know which alarm went off, but to be honest, I'm not sure that's really an issue. If an alarm goes off, then the alarm has gone off and it doesn't really matter which one.


    G
    Thanks for sharing this!

    I've been waiting and waiting for a hardwired Z-wave smoke/Co2 detector, but I guess there's no demand.

    It looks like this may be a decent stop-gap solution until/if there's ever an actual hardwired Z-wave detector on the market.

    Ordered one and it should arrive in 2-3 days. I should be able to install and test within a week.

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  • gmitch64
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    Originally posted by racerfern View Post
    I'll be staying with ZCOMBO though I wonder how much longer they'll continue making them since Z-wave certainly isn't the most popular of protocols.
    Well, it looks like they've been discontinued from several places, and it looks like Lowes and HomeDepot don't carry them any more, so I'm thinking that they're on their way out. As you say, Zwave isn't too popular in the consumer market.

    I've also been looking at a linked set of alarms something like these...

    https://www.amazon.com/Kidde-P4010DC.../dp/B076X6J5CM

    and then using this

    https://www.amazon.com/Ecolink-Wirel.../dp/B071Z8NM8N

    for HS to pick up on the alert.
    It has the advantage of only needing a single listener for all the alarms, so I can put that somewhere out of the way, but close to my Zwave hub, and not have 2 sets of detectors in the house. The downside is that HS won't know which alarm went off, but to be honest, I'm not sure that's really an issue. If an alarm goes off, then the alarm has gone off and it doesn't really matter which one.


    G

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