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    Anyone retrofitted automation to plantation shutters?

    Hi All

    I have wooden shutters with tilting slats (like plantation shutters) in my house. I'd like to automate them (open/close slats - about 180 degree rotation) without butchering the originals if possible. I'm happy to attach stuff but would prefer not to cut them up in any way.

    Replacing them is out of the question, so this rules out most of the commercial products such as Somfy/HD/etc.

    I thought about a stepper motor, but not sure how it would work if the shaft wasn't centered on the rotational axis.

    Don't see how anything that would push or pull the edge of the slat would work as it would be on the back in one position and the front in another.

    Any suggestions?

    Regards

    mark
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    Can you post a picture of one of the shutters so it will help us visualize a Rube Goldberg solution.
    -Rupp
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      #3
      Originally posted by Rupp View Post
      Can you post a picture of one of the shutters so it will help us visualize a Rube Goldberg solution.
      Attached. I was thinking "Heath Robinson"
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        #4
        my try would be the stepper motor with a approx 3" disk on shaft
        this would give approx 6 " travel to move center support

        could also use arm instead of disk
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          #5
          Originally posted by gearyt View Post
          my try would be the stepper motor with a approx 3" disk on shaft
          this would give approx 6 " travel to move center support

          could also use arm instead of disk
          Hi gearyt

          Thanks for reply. I'm having problems visualizing how it would be assembled/work

          any chance of a sketch?
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            #6
            I just happened to come across this a few days ago.
            http://www.mysmarthomeblog.com/page--23.html
            You may not need to hack up your shutters and attach the servo on the inside surface instead.

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              #7
              Originally posted by mfreese View Post
              I just happened to come across this a few days ago.
              http://www.mysmarthomeblog.com/page--23.html
              You may not need to hack up your shutters and attach the servo on the inside surface instead.
              I saw that too at weekend. Looks fantastic and would like something similar, but can't picture how it would work with something connected off center. The key to his success seemed to be that he cut one of the shafts.
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                #8
                the pic shows what both of us are talking about
                imagine the center connected to a stepper motor that will step 1 - 180 degrees
                connect the arm and depending on the length it will rotate 1/2" near the center, 4" near the edge
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by gearyt View Post
                  the pic shows what both of us are talking about
                  imagine the center connected to a stepper motor that will step 1 - 180 degrees
                  connect the arm and depending on the length it will rotate 1/2" near the center, 4" near the edge
                  Sorry still not getting it. Should there by a pic attached to your post?

                  When you say the "center connected", are you talking about the vertical rod on the shutters? If so. not sure that's going to have adequate WAF as it will be on the interior of the shutter, so visible to all.

                  If not, do you mean the pivot point of the horizontal slat? I could see how that would work if it was on the rotational axis. If not I'd need to come up with some kind of eccentric movement wouldn't I? I've attached a very crude sketch (looking from side). The Green dot is the rotational axis of the slat. The blue square is a stepper and the X in the middle is the shaft. Os if I connected to the out edge of the slate to rotate as show by red arrow, (there would be a linkage from the disk to the top tip of the red arrow) would it be tricky to get the correct arc.

                  One other issue that just occurred to me, what would happen if the wife or cleaner moved the slats by hand? Would the stepper move OK? I don;t know do much about steppers--yet: do i tell it to move X degrees or move to point X? (I see the former being an issue if someone moves the slats manually)
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                    #10
                    a servo is the obvious choice for this.

                    easy to control and fairly cheap.

                    http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/sweep
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Raptor View Post
                      a servo is the obvious choice for this.

                      easy to control and fairly cheap.

                      http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/sweep

                      Everything I found about using servos was for vanetian blinds that you twist a rod to tilt. This don't have that. you have to physically move a rod or a slat and the challenge is the rod is in the front, so you can't move it without having an ugly device on front (can't be done from back) and AFAIK to swivel the slat you need to use an eccentric movement as the shaft of any motor/server will be off axis from the rotational center
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                        #12
                        Why not do as the posted video?
                        -Rupp
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rupp View Post
                          Why not do as the posted video?
                          The post by mfreese? because, as I mentioned, I don't want to hack up my shutters in order to experiment/test (or at all really)
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                            #14
                            I have no idea if or how well this might work, but what about something like the attached drawing? At the very least it would be easy to remove if it didn't work.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by reidfo View Post
                              I have no idea if or how well this might work, but what about something like the attached drawing? At the very least it would be easy to remove if it didn't work.
                              That was kind of what I was thinking. Will have to order up a few parts and try it
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