Thermostats for UK - large system Horstmann HRT4-ZW heatmiser PRT-TS

[martinisoft]

but I cannot get zwave/homeseer to create the thermostat devices with setpoints/battery levels etc.

Getting Homeseer to create the thermostat and all of its child devices should not be an issue. At least this has always worked for me in severals HS3 versions and Zwave Plugin Versions.
The only issue that I have is that setting the setpoint is not always working or takes two wakeup cycles to get it done.
This appart from the problem that rises from the design choice to revert the setpoint to the last know value until the new value is picked up by the thermostat. (as I explained earlier in this toppic)

[largejj]

Martinisoft.

I tried 4 times wiping my zwave network and starting over with my version of HS3 pro and z wave.

Every time I add the stats I don't get all the child devices and even with the stat in learning mode homeseer cant get the information from the stat to create the child devices. I set the polling to 6 minutes for all battery devices in HS but don't believe this actually works in my version.

From scanning 3 stats I am getting the following devices. The zwave node information is fine and I can optimise as much as possible apart from the 3 battery stats.

I sent all this info to homeseer and they replied "don't use it - its wont work!"


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Z-Wave Node 9 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Switch Binary Node 9 0161FBF5-009 Z-Wave Switch Binary Yesterday
Z-Wave Node 7 Z-Wave Interface Sigma Thermostat Node 7 0161FBF5-007
Z-Wave Node 6 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Switch Binary Node 6 Child 0161FBF5-006-Q4 Z-Wave Switch Binary
Z-Wave Node 6 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Thermostat Node 6 Root 0161FBF5-006 Z-Wave Thermostat Root Device
Z-Wave Node 5 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Switch Binary Node 5 Child 0161FBF5-005-Q3 Z-Wave Switch Binary
Z-Wave Node 5 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Thermostat Node 5 Root 0161FBF5-005 Z-Wave Thermostat Root Device
Z-Wave Node 4 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Switch Binary Node 4 Child 0161FBF5-004-Q2 Z-Wave Switch Binary
Z-Wave Node 4 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Thermostat Node 4 Root 0161FBF5-004 Z-Wave Thermostat Root Device
Z-Wave Node 3 Z-Wave Interface Sigma Thermostat Node 3 0161FBF5-003
Z-Wave Node 2 Z-Wave Interface Horstmann Controls Switch Binary Node 2 Child 0161FBF5-002-Q1 Z-Wave Switch Binary
Z-Wave Node 2 Z-Wave Interface Horstmann Controls Thermostat Node 2 Root 0161FBF5-002 Z-Wave Thermostat Root Device
Z-Wave Node 1 Z-Wave Interface New Interface 0161FBF5-001 Z-Wave Static Controller

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Some of them are not recognised as Horstmann at all.


My Z wave node information is fine


Node Information for Network 0161FBF5
1 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 1 Z-Wave Interface New Interface Polling: Polling Disabled
Manufacturer:
Sigma Designs Type:
0x0 ID:
0x0 Listens:
Yes Version: (Not Available) Neighbor Rating
Excellent (4) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Basic Type: STATIC CONTROLLER, Generic Type: STATIC CONTROLLER

2 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 2 Z-Wave Interface Horstmann Controls Thermostat Node 2 Root Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s
Manufacturer:
Horstmann Controls Limited Type:
0x3 ID:
0x1 Listens:
Yes Version: 2.78 (ZDK 5.02.3 Patch 3) App: 2.0 Neighbor Rating
Excellent (4) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: ROUTING SLAVE, Generic Type: THERMOSTAT, Specific Type: NOT USED
Command Classes:
Supported: Switch Binary(V 1), Switch All, Configuration, Version, Manufacturer Specific

Child Device: Horstmann Controls Switch Binary Node 2 Child CC: Switch Binary Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s

3 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 3 Z-Wave Interface Sigma Thermostat Node 3 Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s
Manufacturer:
Sigma Designs Type:
0x0 ID:
0x0 Listens:
No Version: (Not Available) Neighbor Rating
Excellent (4) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: CONTROLLER, Generic Type: THERMOSTAT, Specific Type: NOT USED
Command Classes:
Supported: Manufacturer Specific, Version, Battery, Wake Up, Sensor Multilevel, Setpoint, Association, Configuration
Controlled:
Mark, Mode, Switch Binary


4 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 4 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Thermostat Node 4 Root Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s
Manufacturer:
TKB Home Type:
0x101 ID:
0x103 Listens:
Yes Version: 3.40 (ZDK 4.54) App: 1.4 Neighbor Rating
Acceptable (3) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: ROUTING SLAVE, Generic Type: THERMOSTAT, Specific Type: NOT USED
Command Classes:
Supported: Switch Binary(V 1), Switch All, Configuration, Version, Manufacturer Specific

Child Device: TKB Home Switch Binary Node 4 Child CC: Switch Binary Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s

5 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 5 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Thermostat Node 5 Root Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s
Manufacturer:
TKB Home Type:
0x101 ID:
0x103 Listens:
No Version: 3.40 (ZDK 4.54) App: 1.4 Neighbor Rating
Excellent (4) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: CONTROLLER, Generic Type: THERMOSTAT, Specific Type: NOT USED
Command Classes:
Supported: Switch Binary(V 1), Switch All, Configuration, Version, Manufacturer Specific

Child Device: TKB Home Switch Binary Node 5 Child CC: Switch Binary Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s

6 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 6 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Thermostat Node 6 Root Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s
Manufacturer:
TKB Home Type:
0x101 ID:
0x103 Listens:
Yes Version: 3.40 (ZDK 4.54) App: 1.4 Neighbor Rating
Acceptable (3) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: ROUTING SLAVE, Generic Type: THERMOSTAT, Specific Type: NOT USED
Command Classes:
Supported: Switch Binary(V 1), Switch All, Configuration, Version, Manufacturer Specific

Child Device: TKB Home Switch Binary Node 6 Child CC: Switch Binary Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s

7 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 7 Z-Wave Interface Sigma Thermostat Node 7 Polling: Polling Interval: 5s
Manufacturer:
Sigma Designs Type:
0x0 ID:
0x0 Listens:
No Version: (Not Available) Neighbor Rating
Excellent (4) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: CONTROLLER, Generic Type: THERMOSTAT, Specific Type: NOT USED
Command Classes:
Supported: Manufacturer Specific, Version, Battery, Wake Up, Sensor Multilevel, Setpoint, Association, Configuration
Controlled:
Mark, Mode, Switch Binary


9 Full Name: Z-Wave Node 9 Z-Wave Interface TKB Home Switch Binary Node 9 Polling: Polling Interval: 5m, 0s
Manufacturer:
TKB Home Type:
0x101 ID:
0x103 Listens:
Yes Version: 3.40 (ZDK 4.54) App: 1.4 Neighbor Rating
Acceptable (2) Speed:
40.0Kbps
Uses Interface: New Interface (1) Basic Type: ROUTING SLAVE, Generic Type: SWITCH BINARY, Specific Type: POWER SWITCH BINARY
Command Classes:
Supported: Switch Binary(V 1), Switch All, Configuration, Version, Manufacturer Specific

[martinisoft]

Can you put your stat in the I mode (inclusion) and do a rescan from the root device in homeseer? While rescanning press the dial button of the Horstmann every 10 seconds or so to keep the display from dimming and keep the inclusion mode active.

Edit: while doing this keep the tstat in range of the zwave stick. When I include my tstats I make sure that I am within 1 meter from the zwave stick to be sure they can communicate without problems. You can optimize later on when the tstat is in its definate place.

[Redbull]

OK, what am I using:

for now 3x Horstman HRT4-ZW Known as the Secure SRT-321, but will go to 10 for each room.
HS3 Pro version 3.0.0.125
Z-Wave version 3.0.0.175
Z-Wave controller: Aeon Labs Aeotec Z-Stick
Plugin: Blstat for schedulling my thermostats

Redbull

[NicolaiL]

I guess i will wait and see if a commercial heatmiser interface ever happens. I am willing to test or donate a stat for someone to develop with!

I'd certainly be interested. The only sticking point is my HeatMiser isn't Ethernet/wifi capable (it's a 2-zone wired model). :-(

Hi both,

I've now got the full (45 page!) spec from HeatMiser. I'll PM you directly to see if we can work out how to best develop/test a HeatMiser plug-in.

[martinisoft]

OK, what am I using:

for now 3x Horstman HRT4-ZW Known as the Secure SRT-321, but will go to 10 for each room.
HS3 Pro version 3.0.0.125
Z-Wave version 3.0.0.175
Z-Wave controller: Aeon Labs Aeotec Z-Stick
Plugin: Blstat for schedulling my thermostats

Redbull

Thank you for the info.
Are you changing setpoints trough HSTouch or a mobile phone app?
And if so could you share how you accomplished this?

[Redbull]

no, not using HStouch or mobile at this moment

[largejj]

NicolaiL,

thanks for your offer. I have sent you my details for testing the Heatmiser.

Redbull,

I am running HS3 3.0.0.96 and Zwave 3.0.0.150. Is 3.0.0.125 stable for you ? I may try a beta as I am also interested in getting my way2call working again.

[NicolaiL]

For anyone interested a HeatMiser plug-in, just thought I should let you know I have my Wi-Fi thermostat (PRT-TS WiFi) and after much trial and error I have finally managed to get it to talk to my HomeSeer plug-in.

Hopefully I will have a proof of concept plug-in out over the weekend that can be tested against your thermostats as well.

[largejj]

Nicolail,

That is really good news. I am ready to test whenever you are. For those interested Heatmiser also do a wireless option to this stat so the boiler switch is remote to the thermostat to save cabling (just like the Horstmann).


If this interface is reliable it could be a really good EU/UK thermostat solution.

[martinisoft]

Nicolail,
For those interested Heatmiser also do a wireless option to this stat so the boiler switch is remote to the thermostat to save cabling
.

To be able to control Heatmiser thermostats trough internet or systems like Homeseer one would need the Neostats am I correct? Those need 230v and a Wallbox. The only heatmiser thermostat that is completely wireless and batterypowered I could find are 868MHz, but I cannot find any way to tap in to these to externaly control them or the UH1-W. Am I missing something or is Neostat the only way to go if you want to influence the stats externaly, and therefore could not be a Replacement for the Horstmann since a wallbox and mains are needed?

[largejj]

Martinisoft,

You don't need NEO, but To make this wireless between thermostat and boiler switch you need Heatmiser PRT-TS WiFi RF Kit - (Kit includes PRT-TS-WIFI RF X 1 + RC1-W x 1 ).

So you are right both units need power but not connecting wires between them for control. Heatmiser Wifi eg PRT TS is end of life but you can still purchase them. I spoke to heatmiser today as to whether to go PRT TS or NEO, they obviously recommended their new product NEO. They also mentioned there was a security issue with the web browser in PRT TS wifi. I am checking with their security people at the moment before I fully invest.

If PRT TS are end of life and available at reasonable cost I am lucky as I could cable up reasonably easily.

Neo is newer and stats are battery powered.

Nicolail reckons NEO will be harder to implement in homeseer but certainly possible.

[martinisoft]

I think that if you want to buy new Heatmiser stats now that NEO should be the way to go.
Communicating with NEO should be not that difficult. the Owner of a Dutch zwave webshop robbshop.nl created a script to interface Fibaro HC2 with NEO. Maybe you can use this to develop a homeseer script or plugin.
See the following link: https://www.robbshop.nl/index.php/la...ermostaat.vfib

[largejj]

Nicolai,

Your plugin works, so far so good.

Thanks

Jonathan

[NicolaiL]

Great stuff. I'll add a bit more functionality and will post a public beta in a separate forum in the next day or two

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