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    Is X10 back from the dead?

    I am getting regular emails from X10 again. They have a few new products and it appears the new company is having some success selling the old X10 technology. I wonder if there will be a renewed interest in X10 because of its ease of installation.

    I think the stigma of poor reliability of X10 may not be such a big problem as we thought!

    Perhaps the issue of line noise is decreasing because of better design of electronic power supplies. About 75% of my HA is still X10. I no longer have to unplug my laptop battery charger to get my X10 modules to work!

    I still have issues with X10 but I also have Issues with z-wave an lots of issues with Wifi controlled devices.

    For sure, the X10 motion detectors and the X10 door/window sensors, are more cost effective and in my opinion work better than their z-wave equivalents.

    What do you think?

    Steve Q


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    X10 is Back

    Agree with you Steve Q.

    I had a pure HS2 X10 network running on a PC. Changed over to HS3 but X10 was difficult to get working properly. Changed a lot of devices to Z-wave and all or at least most are fine.

    Now running a Raspberry with Z-Wave and X10 and miss the MR26A motion sensors. Simple but very reliable. Replacing there has required 2 Z-Wave motion sensors as I cannot rely 100% on motion being detected.

    I still have the DIN rail X10 Appliance modules. Noisy but have been reliable for over 10 years. No Z-wave device on the market to replace these yet.

    Long live X10

    Jo

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      #3
      X10/X15 has worked perfectly for me for over 15 years now. It may be old-fashioned but it is dead-easy and, for me at least: very reliable.
      On HS2 I only used exclusively X10/X15. I trialed Z-wave but found it cumbersome (or as aficionados will say "much more powerful"). Also, I had a very reliable 3 phase X10 network, so why change?
      With HS3 the story became different. Using the same hardware the CM15A (RF X10) interface is effectively unusable for HS3/Windows (the Linux implementation works OK, but I have other reasons for not using Linux). So I am reluctantly switching a number of devices to Z-wave. For most of my devices all I want is a simple ON/OFF switch, X10 is perfect and Z-wave is just overkill. Also, I'm bound to change my network configuration every few months, renaming a lot of devices and placing them elsewhere. Easy with X10, a nightmare with Z-wave.
      Long live X10.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Jo View Post
        I still have the DIN rail X10 Appliance modules. Noisy but have been reliable for over 10 years. No Z-wave device on the market to replace these yet.

        Long live X10

        Jo
        There are: http://board.homeseer.com/showpost.p...76&postcount=3

        I made my own. Since the pictures were taken, I have added panel mount fuse holders to all the modules.

        http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=175339
        Jon

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          #5
          Originally posted by jon00 View Post
          There are: http://board.homeseer.com/showpost.p...76&postcount=3

          I made my own. Since the pictures were taken, I have added panel mount fuse holders to all the modules.

          http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=175339
          is there anything you do that is not top notch????

          are those X10 breakers? if so that is COOL!!!!


          /hijack
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            #6
            Here have a few DS10A's in place; still utilized and working fine after 3 years of no battery replacements. (that an a few X10 wireless palm pads).

            I also have Zigbee wireless sensors and with most of them the batteries have failed before one year. (Water, PIR, Door, et al). The light / appliance modules are doing fine these days. I have too been able to update the firmware on some of these devices with no issues. (3 autonomous Zigbee networks).

            I do similar with multiple Z-Wave networks today. (~5 testing networks).
            Last edited by Pete; October 19, 2015, 10:49 AM.
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              #7
              back on track..

              I'm on a TON of stuff...

              23890w x10 togglelinc 2 way switches
              ms13a x 19
              ds10a x 15 (or more)
              AM466 - ton for holidays
              x10 sr227 - few
              Leviton dual x10 outlets x4


              could find more...
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                #8
                Originally posted by TeleFragger View Post
                is there anything you do that is not top notch????

                are those X10 breakers? if so that is COOL!!!!


                /hijack
                I used to have X10 DIN Rail modules in the fuse box (like many in Europe) which use the LD11: http://www.amazon.co.uk/X10-LD11-RAI.../dp/B000V6HRX6

                I needed to replace them with a Z-Wave solution as some were starting to fail. In the end I made my own.
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                Jon

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                  #9
                  interesting.. being in US and not as old as some of you and not starting HA until late in my life.. never messed with that kinda stuff.. looks cool...

                  my wife would freak.. I couldn't imagine the permits and inspector's comments.... hah...
                  HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                  HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                  Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                  Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                    #10
                    Today's typical residential fuse panel / HV electrical base is still using 50 year old plus technology.

                    That will not be changing probably for another 50 years.
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                      #11
                      There are: http://board.homeseer.com/showpost.p...76&postcount=3

                      I made my own. Since the pictures were taken, I have added panel mount fuse holders to all the modules.

                      http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=175339
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                      Jon

                      We must be singing from the same hymn sheet, I have just added some Qubino switches inside a double MK planking panel.

                      Cheers

                      Jo

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