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    X10 poll - Stay HS2 or go to HS3???

    Ok all so I have been trying to get things going once again to HS3 and thought I had it all going well but I am running into the same X10 issues I had when HS3 first came out.

    I get it... I really do..
    UPB is way better
    Zwave is pretty good too

    but if you are like me with 80% of your setup x10 and cant afford to swap it ALL out to zwave... you rely on X10...


    so this poll is simple...

    and also please reply with what version of HS2 you are running and how stable it is. Before HS3 I had HS2 stable at some point. It was rock solid and I had so much automated but something broke somewhere and I could never get my system to stay up longer than 5 days. Tried going to HS3 when it came out and issues.... I'm trying to go back to HS3, thought I had it going but X10 was working the other day and is no longer again.
    34
    HS2 - X10 rock solid and would upgrade to HS3 if X10 plugin issues were fixed.
    29.41%
    10
    HS2 - x10 rock solid and dont plan on upgrading at all
    11.76%
    4
    HS3 - X10 rock solid
    44.12%
    15
    HS3 - X10 issues so replacing all with another technology
    11.76%
    4
    HS3 - X10 issues and going back to HS2 as it works there
    2.94%
    1
    HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

    HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

    Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

    Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

    #2
    My X10 in HS3 using a CM15 works fine and reasonably reliably, powerline and RF. There are some workarounds necessary due to bugs in the plugin, which would be nice to have fixed, but that aside my installation works. It's not 100% reliable but I don't use any filters so I don't expect 100%.
    I don't buy X10 devices anymore, just ZWave, but I see no need to retire my existing devices. I sometimes replace an X10 device with a new ZWave device but I usually find some less-critical use for the X10 device.
    I voted 'HS3-X10 rock solid', which isn't exactly true, but there is no option for 'HS3-X10 good enough'
    I guess if X10 was the core of my system I would be banging the drum for fixing some of the plugin bugs.
    Steve

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      #3
      which workarounds? wondering if any will help me out...
      HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

      HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

      Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

      Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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        #4
        I too am quite frustrated with X10 on HS3. On HS2 ver 2.5.81 it ran extremely well for the past 3-4 years. Only the occasional power line noise issue that causes a light to come on or go off. But no significant issues.

        I have been working with HS3 for about 2 years now and have z-wave, XAP, security cameras, TEMP08, USBUIRT, and the W800 all working in parallel with my HS2 system. As I got stuff working on HS3, I gradually disabled the HS2 events.

        It has only been the last few weeks that I have started transitioning X10 to HS3. I am running into all kinds of issues! Things that were really simple in HS2 seem very complicated in HS3! I am spending a huge amount of time creating devices for every X10 device; when all I need to do is send C5 off. But nothing works unless there are HS3 x10 devices created to correspond to every x10 physical device. This gets crazy for X10 motion sensors especially if you are using the Dawn/dusk feature.

        Now my situation is really a mess because the PCI rs232 serial interface card in my HS2 computer appears to have died! So my TI103 x10 interface on my HS2 computer is not working. I have lost almost all my lighting control. So I have to get everything working on HS3. Every device and every event has to be recreated on HS3. And each one has to be tested.

        Also, I have moved my TI103 interface to HS3 so I have 2 -x10 interfaces and plugins trying to run; CM15a and the TI103. They are fighting each other for control! So now I have to redo everything I had done with the CM15a on HS3.

        I'm really not happy spending all my time recreating my HS2 - X10 environment in HS3. I would much rather be working on something new in HS3. [emoji25]

        Steve Q


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        HomeSeer Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.368, Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 - Home, Number of Devices: 373, Number of Events: 666, Enabled Plug-Ins
        2.0.83.0: BLRF, 2.0.10.0: BLUSBUIRT, 3.0.0.75: HSTouch Server, 3.0.0.58: mcsXap, 3.0.0.11: NetCAM, 3.0.0.36: X10, 3.0.1.25: Z-Wave,Alexa,HomeKit

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          #5
          Originally posted by TeleFragger View Post
          which workarounds? wondering if any will help me out...
          Needing to create a virtual device if you want to respond to an incoming X10 command.
          Needing to spend time configuring graphics pairs for each device when created as there aren't preconfigured device types.
          Having to turn on debug mode so that X10 commands show up in log.
          Those are all I can think of offhand but it's a while since I changed anything X10 and my memory isn't the best.
          Steve

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            #6
            My biggest complaint is that I cannot find a way to send X10 Preset Dim commands from HS3. Has anyone got a solution that works?
            Mike____________________________________________________________ __________________
            HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.548, NUC i3

            HW: Stargate | NX8e | CAV6.6 | Squeezebox | PCS | WGL 800RF | RFXCOM | Vantage Pro | Green-Eye | Edgeport/8 | Way2Call | Ecobee3 | EtherRain | Ubiquiti

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              #7
              Originally posted by Steve Q View Post
              .... send C5 off.
              DRATS!!! STOP SENDING C5 OFF PLEASE!!!!

              your filling my logs... hahahahahaa...

              i have a C5 I cannot locate... i even found a box of 19 motion sensors not in use (ms12a, ms13a, ms14a, ms6a) and took all the batteries out.. not that...

              ill find it...
              HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

              HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

              Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

              Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                #8
                Originally posted by Steve Q View Post
                .... This gets crazy for X10 motion sensors especially if you are using the Dawn/dusk feature.

                I put this in the other thread but it suites here too...

                I have a ton with dusk/dawn too so I use 2 house codes...

                DO NOT CLICK VIRTUAL as it will render the device useless.. I didnt want on and off buttons as they are triggered with motion and light/dark .. but if you trigger that you have to delete them to get them working again...
                HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                  #9
                  Gee, I didn't realize that X-10 was not reliable in HS3. I'm mostly X-10 on HS2.5.0.81 and the WAF is pretty high... I have a few z-wave devices and want to expand (eventually). However, in the meantime, if I go HS3, I'd like at least the lights, pool etc. to keep working. It's bad enough that I will need to replace my RCS TXB16 which also works just fine (10 years now) with HS2. I'm still confused about T-stat options.. Cloud based - not my preference on relying on these service which can disappear in a flash or Z-wave - like the Trane one.
                  In any case to migrate all my lighting and appliance modules would be prohibitively expensive given the currency conversions on top of the already premiere pricing of Z-wave devices.

                  I certainly hope HST can still consider us X-10 users and continue to improve the X-10 plugin.


                  Rob
                  HS3PRO 3.0.0.500 as a Fire Daemon service, Windows 2016 Server Std Intel Core i5 PC HTPC Slim SFF 4GB, 120GB SSD drive, WLG800, RFXCom, TI103,NetCam, UltraNetcam3, BLBackup, CurrentCost 3P Rain8Net, MCsSprinker, HSTouch, Ademco Security plugin/AD2USB, JowiHue, various Oregon Scientific temp/humidity sensors, Z-Net, Zsmoke, Aeron Labs micro switches, Amazon Echo Dots, WS+, WD+ ... on and on.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by langenet View Post
                    ...

                    I certainly hope HST can still consider us X-10 users and continue to improve the X-10 plugin.


                    Rob

                    That my friend is my biggest hope... if they aren't going to fix it.. remove it from the features list...

                    i thought it was me and something in my house but im not the only one...
                    HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                    HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                    Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                    Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                      #11
                      I have not participated in the poll relating to X10.

                      That said here have changed the way I do the doo of X10 over the years.

                      Initially it started with a CM11A and TW-523.

                      From this went to using a plugin amplifier called the Volp XTB and played a bit with using the Insteon PLM for X10 use.

                      I have added a new device over the years that being a dual phase TW-523 Volp emulator which also serves as a X10 amplifier.

                      My X10 on the OmniPro 2 and Homeseer 2 V.181 is fine.

                      I have tested the CM11A Homeseer 3 Linux plugin to work and have done some simple stuff with it and it works fine.

                      The X10 plugin for Wintel HS3 and for Linux HS3 are different.

                      The Wintel HS3 X10 plugin was ported from Homeseer 2. The Linux plugin is unique.

                      There were unseen issues with the last HS2 plugin (carried over from 2005).
                      - Pete

                      Auto mator
                      Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.548 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU 16Gb- Mono 6.12.X - HSTouch on Intel tabletop tablets
                      Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.548 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.12.X
                      HS4 Pro - V4.1.11.0 - Ubuntu 20.01/VB W7e 64 bit Intel Kaby Lake CPU - 32Gb - Mono
                      6.10.0.104
                      HS4 Lite -

                      X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation-Tasmota-Espurna. OmniPro 2, Russound zoned audio, Smartthings hub, Hubitat Hub, and Home Assistant

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                        #12
                        I do have Jeff's XTB and while I was playing with it and HS2, I discovered that there is lots of noise on the CM11-a comm itself - you may remember Pete as I believe you confirmed and opened a ticket on this... As I didn't like the issue with the comm of the CM11, things also seemed slower so I went back to my T103 which works fine. All said, my X-10 in the house is fine. In fact I control my pool pump which is some 50 feet from the house panel through a pony panel in the shed without issue to an Elk relay.

                        Reliable X-10 in the sense that HS behaves is my top priority. If it is as reliable as HS2 then great, but as I read here, I'm beginning to wonder. I do plan on using my HS3Pro license soon after all..
                        HS3PRO 3.0.0.500 as a Fire Daemon service, Windows 2016 Server Std Intel Core i5 PC HTPC Slim SFF 4GB, 120GB SSD drive, WLG800, RFXCom, TI103,NetCam, UltraNetcam3, BLBackup, CurrentCost 3P Rain8Net, MCsSprinker, HSTouch, Ademco Security plugin/AD2USB, JowiHue, various Oregon Scientific temp/humidity sensors, Z-Net, Zsmoke, Aeron Labs micro switches, Amazon Echo Dots, WS+, WD+ ... on and on.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by langenet View Post
                          I do have Jeff's XTB and while I was playing with it and HS2, I discovered that there is lots of noise on the CM11-a comm itself - you may remember Pete as I believe you confirmed and opened a ticket on this... As I didn't like the issue with the comm of the CM11, things also seemed slower so I went back to my T103 which works fine. All said, my X-10 in the house is fine. In fact I control my pool pump which is some 50 feet from the house panel through a pony panel in the shed without issue to an Elk relay.

                          Reliable X-10 in the sense that HS behaves is my top priority. If it is as reliable as HS2 then great, but as I read here, I'm beginning to wonder. I do plan on using my HS3Pro license soon after all..
                          so i was trying to remember what device others were using. Thanks for stating this.

                          I dont have that unit but thought maybe my xpcr went bad until i plugged a alarm clock in and it is working....

                          im not going away from x10 so I have to decide if i pony up and buy that too or try my other repeater...

                          X10 Smarthome Signalinc Repeater Model 4826A

                          which means i have to put a outlet in to plug this in.. then i have to find out if I have to have a dryer plugged into it... my house dryer is only a 3 prong not a 4
                          HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                          HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                          Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                          Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                            #14
                            I discovered that there is lots of noise on the CM11-a comm itself - you may remember Pete as I believe you confirmed and opened a ticket on this..
                            Yup; the willy nilly serial com chit chat noise is documented here. Here too purchased and used a TI-103 when first sold by Homeseer and went back to using the CM11A way back in the early 2000's.

                            In the old home put Homeseer 2 in the attic and ran a serial cable (well used a long telephone cable) to the basement fuse panel area.

                            Do a speed test mixing a few things.

                            Put one Z-Wave appliance switch next to an X10 appliance switch next to whatever else you want.

                            Use a wireless palm pad connected to your Homeseer box via a W800 and turns on all of the automated appliance switches.

                            Write an event which is triggered by one button press of the palm pad.

                            Sit in front of the automated switches and watch or listen to the speed of each one as it is triggered by Homeseer 2 then try Homeseer 3. You will be surprised.
                            - Pete

                            Auto mator
                            Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.548 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU 16Gb- Mono 6.12.X - HSTouch on Intel tabletop tablets
                            Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.548 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.12.X
                            HS4 Pro - V4.1.11.0 - Ubuntu 20.01/VB W7e 64 bit Intel Kaby Lake CPU - 32Gb - Mono
                            6.10.0.104
                            HS4 Lite -

                            X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation-Tasmota-Espurna. OmniPro 2, Russound zoned audio, Smartthings hub, Hubitat Hub, and Home Assistant

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pete View Post
                              Sit in front of the automated switches and watch or listen to the speed of each one as it is triggered by Homeseer 2 then try Homeseer 3. You will be surprised.
                              Ok... I'll ask. Which is faster HS2?
                              Last edited by langenet; November 13, 2015, 03:13 PM.
                              HS3PRO 3.0.0.500 as a Fire Daemon service, Windows 2016 Server Std Intel Core i5 PC HTPC Slim SFF 4GB, 120GB SSD drive, WLG800, RFXCom, TI103,NetCam, UltraNetcam3, BLBackup, CurrentCost 3P Rain8Net, MCsSprinker, HSTouch, Ademco Security plugin/AD2USB, JowiHue, various Oregon Scientific temp/humidity sensors, Z-Net, Zsmoke, Aeron Labs micro switches, Amazon Echo Dots, WS+, WD+ ... on and on.

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