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    #16
    Originally posted by RJS View Post

    And all that means you get goodie points from the wife. Enough goodie points and you use them to buy more HS stuff.

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      #17
      Now son,

      This world consists of two opposing forces. There is us and those whose values and attitudes they wish to impose upon us.
      Unrelated in tech but somehow in virtue please watch this Ted talk and you will learn a thing or two https://www.ted.com/talks/alexander_...uage=en#t-9596


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      Last edited by Eman; July 27, 2016, 04:03 AM.
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        #18
        Thanks for the link, I found it an interesting talk. However, I fail to see either the relevance of your comment, or the relevance to this thread!

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          #19
          Originally posted by billt View Post
          Thanks for the link, I found it an interesting talk. However, I fail to see either the relevance of your comment, or the relevance to this thread!


          Thought I was the only one

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            #20
            I think the relevance is to show that there are dangerous socialists out there who advocate continued, forced multiculturalism as positive thing even though every day we see it was the wrong choice for the Euroweenie nations. The parallel the poster wanted to make is that it's like HS and other HA companies forcing junk Z-wave/Wi-Fi products down our throat, when we all know that a mission-critical, mixed system (wired AND wireless) is a bad thing from a reliability, health, etc. standpoint. Diversity in communication topography is bad. I say we vote "Brexit" on Z-wave to encourage the development of wired-only products?

            See, there's relevancy everywhere you look... I'm sure this is what the poster was trying to communicate with that TED link.

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              #21
              Noooo to understand it better one needs to read and understand Rupp's post at #3 . So is the TED Talk.

              Then again need we say more?


              Eman.
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                #22
                Yes, you do need to say more; perhaps I'm being particularly thick.

                Rupp said

                "What I find is today's "connected people" come to expect this as being the norm. Now show it to your older mom or dad for example and you may get the uh's and ah's. Then there's the others that aren't like us that could care less about any of this. It's not for everyone but I'm not sure why"

                The bloke in the TED talk was suggesting a reason for the unexpected result of the Brexit vote being a disconnect between the (allegedly) wealthy, educated, young elite in the SE and the rest of the (allegedly) poor, ignorant and old, UK.

                Can't see any connection, except in the sense that some people can't understand other people, which is something of a commonplace.

                Back to the OP; I can easily understand people being unimpressed by HA. By and large it doesn't do anything useful or remarkable which can't be done more simply, reliably and with less expense manually. IOW it's a toy for the gadget minded or very wealthy. (I fit in the gadget minded category!)

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                  #23
                  Noooo again.

                  It's absolute ambiguity!

                  To keep this thread shot and calm the answer is in Rupp's first line in that post. Try to look closer.
                  Now look again at my post at #8 (again it's ambiguous) disregard the link. Its a diversion.
                  In relation to TED Talk at my post #17, I mentioned "Unrelated in tech but somehow in virtue"
                  It's not only about the video. You sure did not read their forum on that topic.
                  The full answer to your quetion is hard to say with a straight face to one who misconstrued /is unfamiliar with the hidden or alternative meanining of a sentance and may fail to detect its innuendos.

                  I'm sorry I have been a pain.

                  Eman.
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                    #24
                    I take it that English isn't your first language, because all your posts are incomprehensible.

                    For instance, "Unrelated in tech but somehow in virtue" is quite meaningless.

                    I did look at a few of the forum posts, but it degenerated into the usual tit for tat of these things, so I didn't read much of it.

                    "The full answer to your quetion is hard to say with a straight face to one who misconstrued /is unfamiliar with the hidden or alternative meanining of a sentance and may fail to detect its innuendos."

                    English is my first language and I'm pretty good at comprehension; you have hidden your meaning so well that it's invisible.

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                      #25
                      Yes, I totally understand! Obfuscation by obscurity. Just like HA. The wife has no clue how the system works if I were to keel over tomorrow. See, the parallels to the TED talk are amazing when you look deep enough and are under the influence. My turn: I cut my toe nails this morning, just like HS works!!
                      No, seriously, there's no connection to any of the gibberish that's been posted in relation to a TED talk.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by billt View Post
                        I take it that English isn't your first language, because all your posts are incomprehensible.

                        For instance, "Unrelated in tech but somehow in virtue" is quite meaningless.

                        I did look at a few of the forum posts, but it degenerated into the usual tit for tat of these things, so I didn't read much of it.

                        "The full answer to your quetion is hard to say with a straight face to one who misconstrued /is unfamiliar with the hidden or alternative meanining of a sentance and may fail to detect its innuendos."

                        English is my first language and I'm pretty good at comprehension; you have hidden your meaning so well that it's invisible.


                        Now you got it!

                        Before you think you've got big feet, think, and look at the guy standing next to you! (also coded)
                        Meaning : Not in life must we (HomeSeer Users) judge/ think we are better than others hence "What I find is today's "connected people" come to expect this as being the norm."=====> Rupp's post #3


                        Now let's chill I know when I've lost a fight.

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                          #27
                          Here relating to automation tinkering it is a hobby and keeps me busy. There are no dependencies on it because it is a hobby and always tinkering here.

                          The house runs itself and I do not check much on the automation as it just works. I did at one time extensively remote control it with the first cellular phones back in the early 2000's. Part of my job back then was the tethering of the phone globally. I shut off the tethering for me after a bit. The novelty wore off. Friends / family know me and typically just accept what they see/hear knowing that it is my hobby. I helped my sister a few years back doing a bit of lighting. That said tried to introduce computer control; she got the demon seed bug and decided not to automate anything and that was that.

                          Things done here but not really noticed too much (done for house mostly).
                          - Lighting - automated relating mostly to times and security
                          - HVAC - takes care of itself these days
                          - irrigation - takes care of itself these days
                          - security / CCTV / automation panel - Leviton Omni Pro 2 - Zoneminder (all really a hobby and not really necessary)
                          - Homeseer since the late 1990's (Did utilize X10 in a Home in the 1970's (remote was via a telephone call).
                          - zoned audio 12 + 8 zones (mostly heard by guests here when we have a BBQ).
                          - weather via weather stations, internet and NOAA satellites. I have taken NOAA weather spotter classes but am not really a storm chaser; but if I see local interesting weather do drive to the weather and take pictures. (well and report up to NOAA if I see anything) Only thing is that I cannot automate the weather.
                          - doing that long distance RFID stuff with tags in the automobiles that go almost a mile with no dependencies on cellular technology / internet stuff. (no Bluetooth, no WLAN or Cell phones are utilized)

                          Today get a bit irritated with technology and what it does. IE: Helped a friend with LV wiring in a home he was building. It was on his farm and it took some 3 years. That said he is an old friend and I did one day tell him if he answered one more text and didn't help me I would let him do it all himself. Wife and I go out sometimes for breakfast, lunch or dinner and I have noticed entire families dining together but never speaking with all of their noses buried in tablets or cell phones. Interesting sight.
                          Last edited by Pete; July 27, 2016, 07:40 AM.
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Pete View Post
                            ...
                            - doing that long distance RFID stuff with tags in the automobiles that go almost a mile with no dependencies on cellular technology / internet stuff. (no Bluetooth, no WLAN or Cell phones are utilized)

                            ....
                            Now that sounds interesting. Are you saying you can track when an item (presumabily a car) is within a mile of your house without using a phone. Cause that I could really get into


                            On-Topic: I used to "try" and show off my automation, but Ive stopped. I've found that most people don't care. They find it a novelty and perhaps it is. I got started with 1 lock cause our daughter couldn't keep track of her keys. For reasons more related to security (I could change her code on a whim), I went with Z-wave. I also liked that I could set the lock to lock automatically after 10 minutes of it being unlocked and having control to unlock it from around the world. None of these things my guests cared about.

                            In the end I want my automation to be invisible. It may be that the guests notice it, but I want to get to a point where I live without noticing it. I find myself still depending somewhat on "manual" tasks. I still double tap "off" when I leave my office for the day (to turn off lights and the computers) and still use a button to tell the system to "go to sleep" at night. These are things I can't schedule and have had a hard time trying to "automomate" because they just don't always occur at the same time. I know to attain my goal I need more "sensors". Specifically presence detecting sensors, but I feel they are not to the level yet that I can really get the automation I want. That said, It won't stop me from trying. I find this stuff really fun and I really appreciate the challanges that I run into. If my guests don't "understand it" or don't appreciate it the way I do, I'm ok with that. AFter all, it's my Hobby not theirs

                            Now the Wife..Different story. She doesn't really appreciate it at all. It could be I'm at the level that she would miss it, but I don't think she is conscious of that yet...LOL I do have plans to write up a complete "Exit strategy" for her to use in case something happens to me. That way I can be confident that reverting the system won't be too much of a hassle for her.
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                              #29
                              Are you saying you can track when an item (presumabily a car) is within a mile of your house without using a phone.

                              Not doing a geo tracking here and yes.

                              Basically the RFID / antenna combo just triggers the receiver which triggers analog relays.

                              I have done geo measurements now and the triggers are always the same distance from my home such that I know where the vehicle is when the RFID is triggered. Nothing fancy at all and totally indpendant of the internet and just pure RF. Each device has a number and that can trigger unique events of whatever you want. IE: announcements about which car is coming home / opening garage door / alarm security stuff et al. Here installed a bunch of analog wired sensors many years ago. Cellular remote to all functions were already there and today not a novelty; just a tool if needing to use. I did check the geo stuff by having it send me a text while I looked at the GPS position and used satellite mapping to check the stuff out.

                              Wife here uses the simplest / oldest touch screens these days with large buttons (OmniTouch 5.7 serially connected screens). I gave up justifying the over $50 in wall light switch years ago and she understands that it is a hobby. She does know how to utilize the multitoggle dual load switches today but doesn't really care about the technology behind it. The switch doesn't really save electrical costs because if it wasn't automated then I probably wouldn't turn it on.

                              TV wise do an in house broadcast for her cooking shows that she records such that every LCD TV on the main floor of the house shows the same thing when she is there. IE: kitchen, breakfast nook and laundry room simulcast her stuff and she leaves the LCDs on watching cooking shows while she cooks or does the laundry stuff. She likes that and very used to it as one LCD broke a couple of months ago and I could see here have withdrawal issues such that the concern was fixed in a couple of days. Personally here only watch movies and no regular broadcast TV of any sort (it is all a la carte whenever for me today).
                              Last edited by Pete; July 27, 2016, 08:01 AM.
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