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  • #16
    Thank you Jeff.

    This one is going to HS user in Scotland next week. Just waiting on SODIMM and expansion box.

    I never really did anything with the other two M93P's I purchased (2 years ago) other than tweaking Windows 10 and they came with 8Gb of ram so left them alone.

    These are on 24/7 and used as desktops.

    Started to build a new HS4 box about a month or so ago. All from scratch using a BCM Skylake motherboard - another post here:

    New Homeseer 3 Server DIY

    It's been on now 24/7 but no in a case yet.

    Case will match other servers on the rack today.
    - Pete

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    Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
    Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

    X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by TeleFragger View Post
      wow... nice post Pete...

      yes these things rock... and use only 18 watts of power!!!!

      I do run windows 10, but these things are so fast that the bloatware doesn't seem to bother with it so I don't worry.

      I plan on searching ebay for one for my hs4 box.. will be an i5-6 gen or higher, 16gb ram and ssd... after the M93p TFF, I think they went M900, M910 and M920.. wonder if any of them have NVME....

      for those that also want a monitor... you can get a monitor that they slip into...

      thinkcentre tio24gen3

      https://www.ebay.com/p/6031090094?ii...814&opts=opick


      seems the M900 is now the $200 option...
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/ThinkCentre...cAAOSwQG9dwFUy


      m910 - starts NVME and $$$$$$$$$$
      while this one doesn't come with the NVME... it does come with the monitor!!!!
      and 6th gen cpu...
      $300

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thin...YAAOSwA51df9aG
      i bad news.. i gave incorrect data... the m910 DOES NOT have NVME...
      the good news.. I have an m910q now!!!!!! for HS4!!!!
      with 32gb ddr4 memory
      500gb sata (will put ssd in though)
      HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

      HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

      Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

      Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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      • #18
        Great Deal Jeff!!!


        - Pete

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        Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
        Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

        X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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        • #19
          Hello everyone,

          Just wanted to share with you another option I choose. Asus PN60 to run my HS3 Pro and a three cameras Blue Iris.

          The Asus comes barebone. I added 16GB RAM and a 250GB NVME plus a 250GB SSD I already had laying around to save all the HS3 Backups. I have tested the PN40 as well with the very same disks but "just" 8GB of ram. Works beautifully.

          OS is Windows 10 LTSC.

          Some photos:

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          In terms of power consumption you can see in the screen capture below, on the second left row, the actual consumption taken from an Aeotec smart plug 6 where the PC is connected. Watts over time shows it keeps mostly below 20W... And you can see the CPU utilization. Memory? no problem really.
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          While I don't have (yet) that much automation, but some dozens of physical devices, plus some virtual to control some mqtt devices. We could say, it works reasonably good.

          If you don't run both, HS3 Pro and Blue Iris but HS3, HS3 Pro alone, PN40 might be good enough with lower price, power consumption, and fan less... I can tell you, It works beautifully under Windows or Linux (tested Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS)

          Which plugins do I use?

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          Hope you find it of any use!


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          • #20
            Originally posted by ppespepe View Post
            Hello everyone,

            Just wanted to share with you another option I choose. Asus PN60 to run my HS3 Pro and a three cameras Blue Iris.

            The Asus comes barebone. I added 16GB RAM and a 250GB NVME plus a 250GB SSD I already had laying around to save all the HS3 Backups. I have tested the PN40 as well with the very same disks but "just" 8GB of ram. Works beautifully.

            OS is Windows 10 LTSC.

            Some photos:

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            In terms of power consumption you can see in the screen capture below, on the second left row, the actual consumption taken from an Aeotec smart plug 6 where the PC is connected. Watts over time shows it keeps mostly below 20W... And you can see the CPU utilization. Memory? no problem really.
            Click image for larger version

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ID:	1339920

            While I don't have (yet) that much automation, but some dozens of physical devices, plus some virtual to control some mqtt devices. We could say, it works reasonably good.

            If you don't run both, HS3 Pro and Blue Iris but HS3, HS3 Pro alone, PN40 might be good enough with lower price, power consumption, and fan less... I can tell you, It works beautifully under Windows or Linux (tested Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 LTS)

            Which plugins do I use?

            Click image for larger version

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Views:	130
Size:	223.9 KB
ID:	1339921

            Hope you find it of any use!

            wow that is a nice machine. seems smaller than the Tiny... but definitely thicker...
            $300 is what im finding them at, while nvme is nice as id like to have it, not gonna help on HS....

            Ill have to keep my eyes out for one cheaper and see about getting one.

            i3 - don't know much about i3 but gen 8 cpu is very nice!

            so the M93p that Pete started this out as...
            is definitely cheaper; however a 4th gen cpu, which is still enough....

            thx for sharing!!!! I love asus stuff...
            HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

            HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

            Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

            Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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            • #21
              Yes here original (still running) Homeseer 3 Pro computer was a DIY using a BCM motherboard, Haswelll chip set and 16 Gb of RAM and a .M2 SSD drive. No moving parts.

              It is still running great. Personally (cuz I like doing this) DIY built another machine using a BCM motherboard with a Skylake CPU and 32Gb of RAM. It is another mITX board.

              Side stuff though using a Lenova off lease laptop to run Windows 2016 Standard server. This will be the last of the Windows servers as Homeseer servers now have been all Ubuntu and with the memory running embedded Windows virtual boxes for just windows stuff.

              For easy family (and wife) computers just purchased the off lease M93P Tiny computers. They came with Windows Pro and all I did was tweak out the OS actually removing rights to family members relating to adding software or anything really without admin access.

              Relating to this stuff it is my rules only for management and mostly to keep family members safe from the internet.

              The M93P tiny that I am building is currently running Windows 2016 Standard Server for Homeseer. It is all done now and waiting to be shipped over to Scotland.
              - Pete

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              Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
              Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

              X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TeleFragger View Post

                i bad news.. i gave incorrect data... the m910 DOES NOT have NVME...
                the good news.. I have an m910q now!!!!!! for HS4!!!!
                with 32gb ddr4 memory
                500gb sata (will put ssd in though)
                and yet corrected. does have nvme... was trying to figure out where to add ram. removed drive and not there. flipped over and saw this door... dohhhh

                HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                • #23
                  Here got the wrong expansion interface for the Tiny M93P box. Given up and just getting the RS-232 extension port and using that instead.

                  Box was labeled correctly except it had been opened.
                  - Pete

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                  Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
                  Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

                  X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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                  • #24
                    Interesting discussion. My fancy new Greenwave power strip says that my HS computer is pulling 230 watts, so I probably need to look into getting something a little less power hungry. If nothing else, it would increase the UPS runtime. Courtesy of this thread, I see some definite possibilities.
                    My system is described in my profile.

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                    • #25
                      30th of November, 2019

                      Just a note that the M93P Tiny HS3 Project is finished and ready for shipping.

                      Only issue was that a IO with serial port was ordered and while the box was labeled correctly it was the IO for the M900.

                      Sent it back and received and installed correct one - 3 weeks??

                      So the following is was was done to the M93P Tiny.

                      - Lenvoa M93P Tiny came with 4Gb of RAM and 250 SSD drive and DVD/CD RW ROM drive IO
                      - Updated to 16Gb DDR3
                      - Updated IO to IO with RS232/USB/PS2 Keyboard and mouse - a second RS-232 can be added internally if need be.

                      - OS is Windows 2016
                      - added R2 Start up delayer
                      - added Revo Uninstaller
                      - tested Way2Call 64 bit drivers, way to call test utility and HSPhone - worked fine.

                      - installed HS3 Pro / HS3 Designer and wrote over HS3 with backup provided by user.

                      Shipping will be from the Midwest to Scotland. Under $100 via USPS (personally a bit high).

                      Note time frame was extended to the getting wrong IO expansion twice. Noticed a few sellers on Ebay are selling the expansion for the M900 and posting that it works with the M93 Tiny. It does not and they are mislabeled; they are two totally different types of connectors used for the IO expansion.

                      Here purchasing another M93 P Tiny to replace the T540P utilized today as a W2016 server. Fastest for me will be to remove the SSD from the laptop and put it inside of the M93P tiny. No expansion will be needed for this one.
                      - Pete

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                      Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
                      Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

                      X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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                      • #26
                        Thanks again Pete for all the progress and info on this machine - it's been quite helpful setting up my own. I got an i5 M73p/256SSD/8GB. I liked the idea of using Windows Server as a base for long term OS stability; but I use Teamviewer to manage all my systems and it's no longer allowed on Server editions for personal use, so went with W10 Pro instead which still has Hyper-V built in so I can easily run all my Linux software there as well. Removed all the excess bloat and it's running great. Really an ideal little machine for HS and related programs in one low power box.

                        How do you manage remote access to the M93 for support - through VPN client?

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                        • #27
                          Good news Graham!!

                          BTW here using Ubuntu 18.04 for HS3 with Oracle W7E virtual box for those windows things.

                          Built another W2016 server for Homeseer 3 last week remotely. This one is running on a Lenova T540P (same Haswell chipset).

                          Relating to using Teamviewer with W2016 server here went back to an older version which works fine testing with another HS3 build / W2016 / Lenova T540P laptop last week.

                          I noticed too that a family desktop W10 M93 Tiny computer updated itself to newest Teamviewer and doesn't work with my old Teamviewer.

                          With this computer doing PFSense VPN which is all configured now which I am switching to and will probably use RDP.

                          BTW using Teamviewer for large file (1-5 Gb) transfer is really slow. VPN is fastest. Been also using File Pizza.

                          You reminded me to install the older portable version on this older computer. Locally have been using RDP for managment (console and works great).

                          I am doing RDP for the other W2016 server I have here which has no monitor or keyboard plugged in to it.

                          So Teamviewer version that continues to work with W2016 is v14.2.2558 portable.
                          - Pete

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                          Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
                          Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

                          X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Pete View Post
                            Good news Graham!!

                            So Teamviewer version that continues to work with W2016 is v14.2.2558 portable.
                            Good to know, I'll have to give that a try next time - I have a feeling this won't be my only Lenovo Tiny setup... Just waiting for a better deal on one since I'm not in a rush for the next one Unfortunately being in Canada the shipping and duties kill most of the ebay deals. I was lucky to find a great deal from a Canadian seller on the first one (CDN $200 w/free shipping).

                            I'd love to move my media server to this platform but need 3 firewire ports... Might have to go up to a SFF with PCIe slots if that exists.

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                            • #29
                              3 firewire ports?

                              Way long time ago had (well still have) a video editing machine that used firewire ports.
                              - Pete

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                              Homeseer 3 Pro - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e 64 bit Intel Haswell CPU - Mono 6.4X
                              Homeseer Zee2 (Lite) - 3.0.0.534 (Linux) - Ubuntu 18.04/W7e - CherryTrail x5-Z8350 BeeLink 4Gb BT3 Pro - Mono 6.4X

                              X10, UPB, Zigbee, ZWave and Wifi MQTT automation.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Pete View Post
                                3 firewire ports?

                                Way long time ago had (well still have) a video editing machine that used firewire ports.
                                Hehe, yeah old tech dies hard My media server runs SageTV and uses the firewire ports on 3 cable boxes to record direct transport stream video signal (no transcoding) - been working flawlessly for over 10 years (cable boxes are the only thing that have failed). Streaming options in Canada are limited, overpriced, and not a la carte so cable is still the main source of TV for us. Tecnically I can get by with 2 firewire ports, as 2 devices can be daisy chained; but if one box fails manual cable changeover is required. Unfortunately the cable boxes are no longer sold with FW, but can still be found on craigslist, ebay, etc.

                                Which reminds me I have about 10 SageTV extender boxes from a previous install to sell off one of these days

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