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  • #16
    Originally posted by Timon View Post
    aruffell - Monitoring the AC line is tricky to do safely. Best way is to have a isolation transformer which most people don't have.
    Thank you for the reminder... As a refresher I watched this video and decided to table the experiment for a while until I have learnt how not to blow my scope up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaELqAo4kkQ





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    • #17
      I’m wondering if anyone at HS has had some time to at least see what’s happening? Don’t expect a solution just wondering if they see the problem.
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      • #18
        I inquired with HS about the current state of the WD200 not being able to handle the filament style LED bulbs, that are quickly becoming the most popular LED bulb you can buy especially to open type fixtures, issues with them. I also noted the fact that the WD100 and the old Evolve z-wave dimmers handle them much better than the WD200. Although I didn’t expect a solution yet I was at leasing hoping they were looking into the problem.

        I must say I was most disappointed when I got the following official reply from HomeSeer.

        We do not have any plans for working with filament style bulbs”

        I don’t understand how any dimmer manufacture can ignore these bulbs considering how popular they are becoming. In fact many of the standard dimmers you find at HomeDepot and Lowe’s do work with these bulbs. I really expect that they will soon become about the only LED bulbs you’ll find stores carrying. Hopefully this position will change especially if enough people request it.

        Unless something changes this is all I have to say on the subject.

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        • #19
          OK. I guess that is that. I am in the market for a couple of dimmers and I've been waiting for the known WD200 issues to shake out, but it appears that is just not going to happen. Does anybody have any stories with happy endings using [any] current filament style bulbs and [any] make/model of dimmer?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by ewkearns View Post
            OK. I guess that is that. I am in the market for a couple of dimmers and I've been waiting for the known WD200 issues to shake out, but it appears that is just not going to happen. Does anybody have any stories with happy endings using [any] current filament style bulbs and [any] make/model of dimmer?
            I've only tried my old Evolve dimmers and the WD100 and WD200. Both the WD100 and my old Evolves work with just a little bit of flicker at very low dimming levels.

            I'm trying a snubber to see if it helps however they can be an issue because they can get hot so they are best used in a metal box. I'd sure like to know what the difference in the output circuit between the WD100 and WD200 since the WD100.

            What I fear is coming is people will purchase them and then return them when they find out they can't use them with the most common LED bulbs. That won't be good for business. This is a totally fixable problem but HS has to have the will to fix it.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Timon View Post

              What I fear is coming is people will purchase them and then return them when they find out they can't use them with the most common LED bulbs. That won't be good for business. This is a totally fixable problem but HS has to have the will to fix it.
              This will drive them to fix the issue... I just spent about $2k in dimmers/switches/fan controllers and am not too happy about the apparent compatibility issues I am running into. For several rooms I solved the issue modifying the ceiling fan to use an LED retrofit kit that seems 100% compatible with the WD200 but on my 3 larger fans I cannot do so therefore I am stuck hunting for bulbs that will work. I do not like the old looking filament bulbs and very much prefer the new style but stores do not seem to carry them as most still look for the old looking ones .

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              • #22
                Isn't this something that one of the dimmer bypass products fixes?

                Such as this - https://smile.amazon.com/Aeotec-Bypa.../dp/B0716BDNFB

                If you google "dimmer bypass" you'll get several of them.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Timon View Post
                  I inquired with HS about the current state of the WD200 not being able to handle the filament style LED bulbs, that are quickly becoming the most popular LED bulb you can buy especially to open type fixtures, issues with them. I also noted the fact that the WD100 and the old Evolve z-wave dimmers handle them much better than the WD200. Although I didn’t expect a solution yet I was at leasing hoping they were looking into the problem.

                  I must say I was most disappointed when I got the following official reply from HomeSeer.
                  Oh dear. I saw this after posting this;

                  https://forums.homeseer.com/forum/ho...00-or-hs-wd200

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rwatson View Post
                    Isn't this something that one of the dimmer bypass products fixes?

                    Such as this - https://smile.amazon.com/Aeotec-Bypa.../dp/B0716BDNFB

                    If you google "dimmer bypass" you'll get several of them.
                    It should but the cost is quite high. Now if that was a two pack it wouldn't be so bad.

                    My understanding is, and I need to verify this, that with a very low load some Triac will false trigger but there are some that won't. Don't know if those would be drop-in replacements.

                    Dimmer scaling is a totally different issue. It's basically adjusting the low end so that 1% will bring the LED on at its lowest level. One issue through is that some LEDs will dim down lower that they will start up. In that case one needs to go from off to the startup value then to the dim value you want So to make all of this work you need two parameters that you can adjust to get the LEDs to work the way you want them too.
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