can a virtual device be toggled in HS4

[sirbooker]

I would like to have a virtual device with 2 states ON OFF and Toggle
3 buttons displayed so i can manually click on or off or just use toggle
can this be accomplished in HS4.
Paul.

[dbrunt]

Based on what I know about HS, I would say No, not all wrapped up in a single device.

[MaxFox]

Hello the screenshot you posted seems to me to belong to HS3. When I create a Virtual Device in HS4 I no longer have the Status and Control choice. Why ?

[lveatch]

I don't see why this can not be done in HS4 to a virtual device. You would need have 1-2 events to take action for when the Toggle button is pressed. The toggle event would need to update the virtual device with the correct status after being "toggled".

[dbrunt]

Hello the screenshot you posted seems to me to belong to HS3. When I create a Virtual Device in HS4 I no longer have the Status and Control choice. Why ?

A lot of it is just an illusion with new HTML code.
The HS3 deviceutility HTML page is still in HS4...

http://192.168.1.103:8080/devices.html



http://192.168.1.103:8080/deviceutility



During the beta they had not finished developing / fixing the HTML for the device status & control page so we were using the old HTML deviceutility screen to edit and update those settings. What you can & cannot do in that area has not changed really. Just a horse of a different color. Still an old woman but with a new coat.

There is no control call toggle which HS would internally use to change the state from on to off or vice-versa.
Devices can have different states off = 0, on = 100, on_alternate = 255, or whatever you define those values to mean.

I managed to lash together a Virtual Device that has a toggle control that can be toggled with 2 events.

I used the deviceutilty page (HS3 variant) to manipulate the status and control pairs separately so that the Control element's 'on' label says TOGGLE while the status element's on label says 'On'...









HS4 View:


There's no way to eliminate the "OFF" control button on the the Control item as it has to be set back to OFF by the events after being set to TOGGLE.

[dbrunt]

I don't see why this can not be done in HS4 to a virtual device. You would need have 1-2 events to take action for when the Toggle button is pressed. The toggle event would need to update the virtual device with the correct status after being "toggled".

And how would the event(s) know what the previous status was?

[Guest]

And how would the event(s) know what the previous status was?

With easytrigger plugin, it can easily be done.

[dbrunt]

With a normal HS4 virtual device, there is only the Feature Control as status and control and tied together and appear as a single feature Control. HS4 is attempting to tie the two old items status and value together to appear as a single entity when in fact they still really are not. The event engine no longer lets you see/test the status of a normal HS4 virtual separately with HS4 tools only hence why I resorted to HS3 deviceutility to manipulate them separately and then I could use them separately in the events.



I tried your way and no way, no how could I do it. You'd have to store the previous state of the standard HS4 virtual toggle switch in another virtual so that events could check the previous state and toggle the switch to the opposite of what it was before. If you'd care to prove me wrong and show how it can be done with one virtual and 2 events I'd be delighted to be enlightened!

[dbrunt]

With easytrigger plugin, it can easily be done.

So native HS4 cannot do it with 1 virtual and 2 events, unless you sneak under the hood and separate control value and status like I did!

[MaxFox]

A lot of it is just an illusion with new HTML code.
The HS3 deviceutility HTML page is still in HS4...

Thank you very much for the information of considerable importance to me. It was a few days that I was trying to solve this problem and now you have given me the correct solution. Do you think that with the next HS4 updates they will solve the Control / Status problem or will I always have to use HS3 to create new Virtual Devices?

[lveatch]

With easytrigger plugin, it can easily be done.

oops, forgot that that capability was part of easytrigger vs native homeseer.

[sirbooker]

Iveatch
could you expand your IF statement so I can see how this was accomplished?

[dbrunt]

Thank you very much for the information of considerable importance to me. It was a few days that I was trying to solve this problem and now you have given me the correct solution. Do you think that with the next HS4 updates they will solve the Control / Status problem or will I always have to use HS3 to create new Virtual Devices?

You'd have to ask HomeSeer...

[dbrunt]

Iveatch
could you expand your IF statement so I can see how this was accomplished?

I believe that event is using the EasyTrigger plug-in which injects those desired functions into HS...

[sirbooker]

so in HS4 now when you create a virtual device you get 2 devices
one is the status and the other the control (on/off) and toggle
this does NOT work !
but
if you delete the control

and give the status the controls (on/off/toggle) it works...yip pee.
but this is not how Rich wants virtual devices setup when viewing Grid view
which for me I never use as I like the list view. 2cents
easytrigger would need to update to HS4 so you could select
morning alarm clock and then sub-feature Control
to make this work.