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  • Vera to HS3... version & plugins needed?

    Looking for help assessing what version of HS I need and what plugins... also so I can figure out what the cost is as it seems it may be FAR more expensive than I'd hoped.

    Thank you in advance for the help figuring out if I can esily migrate and not lose functionality - and at what $.

    5 year user of Vera with very extensive integration into many systems...

    Currently integrated/automated with Vera:
    • Eyezon EVL3 to Vista20p security panel (Integrated Security Panel & House Modes with complex occupancy logic via PLEG; using built-in Vera HomeModes, Native Vera Scenes & PLEG actions)
    • Kodi
    • ISY with 35 Insteon dimmers (25 installed + 10 more soon)
    • Multiple Zwave door and window sensors
    • Multiple zwave appliance modules
    • 2 Amazon Alexa / Echo
    • 2 Liftmaster MyQ garage doors
    • Ecobee
    • Logitech Harmony Remote/Hub
    • Zwave siren
    • Zwave water sensor
    • Denon AVR
    • 10 Samsung SmartCams
    • Blue Iris security software


    Still to To be integrated…
    • Several Osram/Sylvania Lightify LED light units
    • 2 LeakSmart valve and sensors
    • Google Home


    Coming Soon…
    • Shades (purchasing soon) Lutron or Bali or Somfy; ~15 shades to automate when I decide what I’m getting.
    • Whole House / Attic Fan (purchasing soon) – will be 2 or 3 speed fan.


    Current list of Devices in Vera…


    Device Nam.............Room..............Device Type
    1. Color Lights ………………. Living Room ………………. BinaryLight
    2. Day or Night ………………. xSystem ………………. DayTime
    3. Info Viewer ………………. xSystem ………………. InfoViewer
    4. Program Logic Core ………………. xSystem ………………. ProgramLogicC
    5. Ping ASUS1 ………………. xSystem ………………. PingSensor
    6. Ping ASUS2 ………………. xSystem ………………. PingSensor
    7. Mantle Light ………………. Living Room ………………. BinaryLight
    8. Dining Room Motion ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    9. Office Motion Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    10. MudRoom Motion ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    11. Media Room Motion Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    12. Siren SSA2 ………………. Security ………………. DimmableLight
    13. Garage Motion Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    14. Stay Up Late ………………. Security ………………. VSwitch
    15. Alarm Tones ………………. xSystem ………………. VSwitch
    16. Outside MS Armed ………………. xSystem ………………. VSwitch
    17. Ping Robyn's Phone ………………. xSystem ………………. PingSensor
    18. Ping Aaron's Phone ………………. xSystem ………………. PingSensor
    19. ISY Controller ………………. xSystem ………………. ISYController
    20. Entry Light ………………. Front Yard ………………. DimmableLight
    21. Playroom Light ………………. Play Room ………………. DimmableLight
    22. Foyer Tower Light ………………. Foyer ………………. DimmableLight
    23. Garage Lights ………………. Garage ………………. DimmableLight
    24. Driveway Lights ………………. Front Yard ………………. DimmableLight
    25. Master Bedroom Light ………………. Master Bedroom ………………. DimmableLight
    26. Media Room Lights ………………. Media Room ………………. DimmableLight
    27. Patio Door Light ………………. Back Yard ………………. DimmableLight
    28. Deck Lights ………………. Back Yard ………………. DimmableLight
    29. Office Lights ………………. Office ………………. DimmableLight
    30. Dining Room Light ………………. Dining Room ………………. DimmableLight
    31. Master Bath Ceiling Lights ………………. Master Bedroom ………………. DimmableLight
    32. MS_BatteryDrain ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    33. Patio Motion Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    34. VeraAlerts ………………. xSystem ………………. VeraAlert
    35. Occupancy Status ………………. Security ………………. MSwitch223
    36. Security ………………. Security ………………. MSwitch224
    37. PLEG Security ………………. xSystem ………………. ProgramLogicEG
    38. PLEG Automation ………………. xSystem ………………. ProgramLogicEG
    39. PLEG Alerts ………………. xSystem ………………. ProgramLogicEG
    40. Master Bath Vanity Lights ………………. Master Bedroom ………………. DimmableLight
    41. Event Watcher ………………. xSystem ………………. EventWatcher
    42. Occupancy Vars ………………. xSystem ………………. MSwitch246
    43. EVL3 Vista Panel ………………. Security ………………. EVL3VistaAlarmPanel
    44. EVL3 Vista Partition 1 ………………. Security ………………. AlarmPartition
    45. Den Window Left ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    46. Basement Window North ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    47. Basement Window ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    48. Basement Window South ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    49. Office Window ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    50. Den Window Right ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    51. Den Window Central ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    52. Den Window North ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    53. Dining Window North ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    54. Main Window North ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    55. Dining Window South ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    56. Main Window South ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    57. Main Window 3 ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    58. Main Window 2 ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    59. 8 ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    60. Dining Window ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    61. Kitchen Window North ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    62. Laundry Room Window ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    63. 7 ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    64. 6 ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    65. 5 ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    66. Basement Door ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    67. Main Room Motion ………………. Security ………………. MotionSensor
    68. Garage Entry Door ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    69. Kitchen Window South ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    70. Front Door ………………. Security ………………. DoorSensor
    71. LiftMaster MyQ Device ………………. xSystem ………………. MyQGateway
    72. KODIRemote ………………. Media Room ………………. KODIRemote
    73. Scene Assist ………………. xSystem ………………. MSwitch277
    74. Automation Switches ………………. xSystem ………………. MSwitch278
    75. Cable Modem ………………. xSystem ………………. BinaryLight
    76. Office Heater ………………. Office ………………. BinaryLight
    77. Espresso Machine ………………. Kitchen ………………. BinaryLight
    78. Tylers Room Light ………………. Tyler's Room ………………. DimmableLight
    79. Noahs Room Fan ………………. Noah's Room ………………. BinaryLight
    80. Guest Room Fan ………………. Guest Room ………………. BinaryLight
    81. Master Bedroom Fan ………………. Master Bedroom ………………. BinaryLight
    82. Living Room Fan ………………. Living Room ………………. BinaryLight
    83. Guest Room Light ………………. Guest Room ………………. DimmableLight
    84. Noahs Room Light ………………. Noah's Room ………………. DimmableLight
    85. Living Room Light 2 ………………. Living Room ………………. DimmableLight
    86. Living Room Light ………………. Living Room ………………. DimmableLight
    87. Sump Pump ………………. xSystem ………………. BinaryLight
    88. Fountain ………………. Back Yard ………………. BinaryLight
    89. Garage Timer Disable ………………. Garage ………………. VSwitch
    90. Noah's Room ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    91. Living Room ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    92. Heating Blanket ………………. Master Bedroom ………………. BinaryLight
    93. Play Room ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    94. Kitchen ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    95. Front Entry ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    96. Tyler's Room ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    97. Master Bedroom ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    98. Dining Room ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    99. Media Room ………………. Cameras ………………. DigitalSecurityCamera
    100. Sub ………………. Media Room ………………. BinaryLight
    101. ecobee ………………. xSystem ………………. Ecobee
    102. Home ………………. Environmental ……………….
    103. Home 1 ………………. Environmental ………………. EcobeeHumidistat
    104. Home 2 ………………. Environmental ………………. EcobeeHouse
    105. Media Room 1 ………………. Environmental ………………. TemperatureSensor
    106. Ecobee Media Room ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    107. Office ………………. Environmental ………………. TemperatureSensor
    108. Ecobee Office ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    109. Bedroom ………………. Environmental ………………. TemperatureSensor
    110. Ecobee Bedroom ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    111. Main Level ………………. Environmental ………………. TemperatureSensor
    112. Ecobee Humidity ………………. xSensorsEnviro ………………. HumiditySensor
    113. Ecobee Main Room ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    114. MudRoom Door Lock ………………. Locks ………………. DoorLock
    115. Kitchen Lights ………………. Kitchen ………………. DimmableLight
    116. Kitchen Pendant Lights ………………. Kitchen ………………. DimmableLight
    117. Kitchen Lights 2 ………………. Kitchen ………………. DimmableLight
    118. Breakfast Nook Lights ………………. Kitchen ………………. DimmableLight
    119. Mudroom Lights ………………. Kitchen ………………. DimmableLight
    120. Media Room West Lights ………………. Media Room ………………. DimmableLight
    121. Patio Ceiling Outlet ………………. Back Yard ………………. DimmableLight
    122. Harmony Control ………………. xSystem ………………. Harmony540
    123. AVR-X4300HUSA_main ………………. Media Room ………………. receiver
    124. Deck Door Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. DoorSensor
    125. MudRoom Door Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. DoorSensor
    126. Entry Motion multi ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    127. Entry Temperature ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. TemperatureSensor
    128. Entry LUX ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. LightSensor
    129. Entry Humidity ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. HumiditySensor
    130. Water Heater sensor ………………. xSystem ………………. FloodSensor
    131. Living Room multi ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    132. Living Room Temp ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. TemperatureSensor
    133. Living Room LUX ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. LightSensor
    134. Deck Motion multi ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    135. Deck Temperature ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. TemperatureSensor
    136. Deck LUX ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. LightSensor
    137. Deck Humidity ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. HumiditySensor
    138. Garage Motion multi ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    139. Garage Temperature ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. TemperatureSensor
    140. Garage LUX ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. LightSensor
    141. Garage Humidity ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. HumiditySensor
    142. House Modes Plugin ………………. xSystem ………………. HouseModes
    143. Front Door Lock ………………. Locks ………………. DoorLock
    144. Patio Door Sensor ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. DoorSensor
    145. Playroom MS ………………. xSensorsActivity ………………. MotionSensor
    146. Garage Door 1 ………………. Garage ………………. DoorLock
    147. Garage Door 2 ………………. Garage ………………. DoorLock
    Last edited by Ltek; May 5th, 2017, 06:42 PM.

  • #2
    Now is the time to make the jump, I did it last year after being with smartthings and Vera for a while. The base HS3 should be more than enough. The pro does give you access to all of the HS plugins but honestly I don't use many of them and find the third party are better in some cases.

    I think you will also find that the logic in homeseer far exceeds Vera even pleg.

    Other plugins you will likely need although not right away are:
    Ecobee
    Harmony
    BlueIris
    Dennon AV

    The best part is you can try out the plugins for 30 days for free and see what you like/need. Happy I switched and the wife has had a high acceptance factor


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    • #3
      I did some more research and have new questions as I cannot find some answers. Thank you for the help.

      WHOLLY MOLE' these plugins are expensive. I'm figuring that I would need to spend AT LEAST $300, maybe up to $450-500 just for plugins!

      Insteon $59.95
      -- I use ISY but happy to remove it if this replaces it fully? What does this do above native HS Insteon support?

      Denon (BLdenon) $29.95

      Harmony Hub $29.95

      Blue Iris $39.95

      Kodi $39.95 (spud)

      Envisalink $39.95 (spud)

      Imperihome $39.95 (spud)

      Ecobee $39.95 (spud)

      MyQ $35.99

      Pushover $0.00 (replace Vera Alerts)

      Can't find info on...
      • Homeseer receive HTTP commands directly to: turn on/off lights or events; query status of devices; etc -- plugin (which one) or native?
      • Homeseer send HTTP commands to IP addresses -- plugin (which one) or native?
      • Osram Sylvania Lightify zigbee lighting system
      • Google Home
      • Amazon Echo
      • Zwave bind/shade motors - work natively with Bali, Somfy, etc... or what plugin is needed?
      • Samsung Smartcams - work natively with... or is plugin required (like Blue Iris?)
      • Commercial Electric Smart LED recessed lighting - does the native HS Zigbee plugin work with these - change color temp, etc?
      • I do proximity sensing (occupancy detection) using Ping to my phones and code in my ASUS router sending to Vera - how would I replicate this with Homeseer?

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      • #4
        Yes the plugins were a heck of a shock and I remember doing the same but they sure do seem to work well and make it a bit easier to swallow.
        Amazon echo works natively as should any zwave stuff stuff. Hopefully others can help on other aspects. The system is incredibly robust and can even be upgraded as you need or want

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        • #5
          I have some of those things like kodi, harmony and garage door controller integrated with my home automation but did not buy those plugins.

          Alexa, google home, ifttt, zigbee and zwave are all integrated to hs3 and are free.

          Harmony is controlled by either alexa or imperihome so I don't need to control it from hs3 and don't need the plugin.

          For kodi, all I needed was for it to notify hs3 of play pause states so I made an addon that runs in kodi. The kodi addon that runs on hs3 has a lof functionality but I didn't really need any of it other than just the play pause state. My custom kodi addon is posted on this forum.

          I guess what I'm trying to say is just because there is a plugin for a device you own doesn't mean you have to buy that plugin. I did trials for a bunch of plugins, but only bought one: imperihome

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          • #6
            I just bought HS... really hope I can do what I need with it.

            Is there a way to use the Vera as the Zwave radio for Homeseer - to HS leverages the devices in Vera in HS Events, until I get all my code ported over?

            aptalca
            you mind sharing what you did to integrate Kodi, Harmony, and MyQ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ltek View Post
              I just bought HS... really hope I can do what I need with it.

              Is there a way to use the Vera as the Zwave radio for Homeseer - to HS leverages the devices in Vera in HS Events, until I get all my code ported over?

              aptalca
              you mind sharing what you did to integrate Kodi, Harmony, and MyQ?
              Sorry, must have missed this post.

              I outlined my kodi set up along with the plugin zip here: https://forums.homeseer.com/showthread.php?p=1282348

              You essentially create a virtual device in hs3. Enter the device number in the kodi plugin settings, and then whenever the play status changes, the kodi plugin will update the hs3 virtual device status to match. Then you can use the state of that device as triggers for any actions tou want hs3 to take.

              I have it set so that when I pause a movie, if the lights were off to begin with, they will come on 30% and when I resume, they go off again.

              For the garage door, I set up a mimolite which identifies as a switch in hs3 for open close and also has a wired sensor port for status. No plugin necessary. Imperihome can be set up to show it as a garage door woth a garage door picture opening and closing with status changes.

              For the harmony, I didn't really integrate it with hs3. It is only integrated with alexa and imperihome, which are my input interfaces.

              In other words, my input comes through imperihome and alexa, which forward the requests to the action systems, which are hs3 and harmony.

              I didn't have a need to trigger harmony actions from hs3, since all of my expected harmony actions are to be manually triggered (controlling media devices such as kodi, roku, projector, av receiver, etc.)

              EDIT: if you really want to control harmony from hs3, you can do that for free with ifttt.

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              • #8
                Great info, thanks for the help. I'll definitely be using the kodi plugin. I'm looking into mqtt also. I think the imperihome plugin is crazy expensive... Imperihome itself is $7 but the plugin is 40. Seems like the plugin owners are charging far more than a what is reasonable price for their efforts.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ltek View Post
                  Great info, thanks for the help. I'll definitely be using the kodi plugin. I'm looking into mqtt also. I think the imperihome plugin is crazy expensive... Imperihome itself is $7 but the plugin is 40. Seems like the plugin owners are charging far more than a what is reasonable price for their efforts.

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                  it is expensive, but it's so much better than what you had before. the integration is great, and SPUD is great at returning/fixing issues (other than no RGB support :-) ). this is actually one of the one's i had no trouble paying for.

                  Harmony is also SO MUCH better/easier. Ecobee as well.

                  As for Blue Iris... you can probably do what you want without the plugin (i did)

                  I came from Vera... had same problem.... never looked back.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tomgru View Post
                    it is expensive, but it's so much better than what you had before. the integration is great, and SPUD is great at returning/fixing issues (other than no RGB support :-) ). this is actually one of the one's i had no trouble paying for.

                    Harmony is also SO MUCH better/easier. Ecobee as well.

                    As for Blue Iris... you can probably do what you want without the plugin (i did)

                    I came from Vera... had same problem.... never looked back.
                    How are you integrating Blue Iris?

                    I need to figure out how to get basic info from either Harmony or Denon... just need on/off, nothing else - definitely not worth $30-40 for a plugin

                    I'm really wondering if I keep the Vera simply for the free plugins that did so much and send status to Homeseer virtual devices. Its cheaper that buying all these plugins and provides the same, and some cases more functionality.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ltek View Post
                      How are you integrating Blue Iris?

                      I need to figure out how to get basic info from either Harmony or Denon... just need on/off, nothing else - definitely not worth $30-40 for a plugin

                      I'm really wondering if I keep the Vera simply for the free plugins that did so much and send status to Homeseer virtual devices. Its cheaper that buying all these plugins and provides the same, and some cases more functionality.
                      Since I use Imperihome, and it works with cameras... I didn't need the plugin for that. the only thing I wanted the plugin for was to use a camera as a motion sensor (my front door), then perform an event. (send me a text with picture, e.g.) You can do it all with http commands and a virtual device.

                      I also have a denon, but only bought the harmony plugin, and use that to control my denon. You don't get state, but I never needed it for my use.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ltek View Post
                        How are you integrating Blue Iris?

                        I need to figure out how to get basic info from either Harmony or Denon... just need on/off, nothing else - definitely not worth $30-40 for a plugin

                        I'm really wondering if I keep the Vera simply for the free plugins that did so much and send status to Homeseer virtual devices. Its cheaper that buying all these plugins and provides the same, and some cases more functionality.

                        You could use BLLAN to monitor if the is online/offline if they are connected to your LAN network and you can give them a static IP/DHCP reserve an address for them.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kerat View Post
                          You could use BLLAN to monitor if the is online/offline if they are connected to your LAN network and you can give them a static IP/DHCP reserve an address for them.


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                          I don't need to know if they are physically on/off... I need to know when the Denon AV is not in 'Standby' (in use) and/or Harmony has started or ended an Activity.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ltek View Post
                            I don't need to know if they are physically on/off... I need to know when the Denon AV is not in 'Standby' (in use) and/or Harmony has started or ended an Activity.


                            Apologies I was under the impression you needed on/off monitoring based on what you said in your preceding post.

                            If the denon is connected to the LAN network, if the receiver responds to pings when on, and if it does not respond to pings when it is on standby, you could use network monitoring to detect on/standby.
                            You can test this by putting the receiver in standby and run a ping command from CMD (from a Windows box) to the IP address of your receiver with the switch "-t".
                            Example: ping 192.168.1.120 -t
                            This will continue to ping until your press (CTRL + C). The confirm whether you get ping replies from the denon. Turn the denon on and confirm whether you get ping replies from the denon.

                            If you receive replies when on and do not when in standby then this would give your HA system enough information to know if the receiver is either on or on standby.

                            Another option to determine on/standby would be to get an Aeotech power monitor. You could take measurements of draw when the system is on standby or on. Then create a virtual device that changes state based on the power draw of the power monitor.

                            Lastly, there are a few plugins that may provide software based monitoring of the denon equipment.

                            As for the harmony remote It sounds like you may need more information than just on/off. You may be able to script this, if there is an API, or web interface. The other option is to pickup a plugin.


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                            • #15
                              All Modern AVRs, regardless of brand, have a NIC that is always on (unless you physically turn off that setting). Ping will always respond. This will not tell you if the system is in use.

                              In my Vera system I look to see if it is in Standby or not to turn on my amps and subs. Turning them off 5 minutes after the Denon goes into standby.

                              I will figure out how to do it, monitoring current draw on that outlet or something as paying $40 is ridiculous for such a basic plugin. If it was $10-15 I could understand... but its principle, not the money.

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