Matter: Is there a HomeSeer technology roadmap or even a plan?

[upstatemike]

Now that Z-Wave has been around a while and with the benefit of hindsight:

I'm really disappointed and upset in how Sigma handled "the patent' on sending local control status back to the controller. This caused Z-Wave devices to be manufactured without this much-needed technology. As consumers, we were stuck with 'polling' just to get a status, or using HAIL to send a request for the update. Polling/HAIL just served to congest a network and sometimes caused a negative consumer experience. So, shame on Sigma.

Anyway, that's just my rant.

Interesting to see what Eric from Inovelli has to say about Z-Wave going forward:

"This brings up the question – why do you sell Z-Wave then?

This is one we’re wrestling with internally – and we’ve landed on the strategy of selling Z-Wave to security companies who require the security that Z-Wave offers and then if the home automation enthusiasts want Z-Wave, they can certainly have them.

However, our focus from a consumer standpoint is going to be ZigBee/CHIP/Matter as that’s where the big dogs are playing and where we can fill more of the gaps in the industry."

[kenm]

Had some issues with zwave reliability in our detached garage, installed a z-net in the garage moved all the devices to that z-net and all the issues are so far resolved.

+1

[sbwright]

I agree but I've become less militant. I've struggled a bit with z-wave in two detached garages. Both garages have good wifi and one has ethernet. To do it over again I would not have done z-wave in the garages but used wifi switches. I'm not going to have 40 wifi dimmers in my house, but a few don't hurt. I think in general HA users tend to be too promiscuous with technology choices. Especially HASS users. But I probably became too dogmatic with z-wave purity.

Had some issues with zwave reliability in our detached garage, installed a z-net in the garage moved all the devices to that z-net and all the issues are so far resolved.

[rmasonjr]

Now that Z-Wave has been around a while and with the benefit of hindsight:

I'm really disappointed and upset in how Sigma handled "the patent' on sending local control status back to the controller. This caused Z-Wave devices to be manufactured without this much-needed technology. As consumers, we were stuck with 'polling' just to get a status, or using HAIL to send a request for the update. Polling/HAIL just served to congest a network and sometimes caused a negative consumer experience. So, shame on Sigma.

Anyway, that's just my rant.

[dmiller]

i don't care at all about thread/matter
i went with z-wave so that any smartphone couldn't block my HA communication like they can flood and block wifi networks
i went with homeseer so that everything important happens locally and amazon/google/apple aren't involved

if matter ever turns out to actually matter, someone will write a plugin or HS will incorporate it. i'm not worried at all.

I agree but I've become less militant. I've struggled a bit with z-wave in two detached garages. Both garages have good wifi and one has ethernet. To do it over again I would not have done z-wave in the garages but used wifi switches. I'm not going to have 40 wifi dimmers in my house, but a few don't hurt. I think in general HA users tend to be too promiscuous with technology choices. Especially HASS users. But I probably became too dogmatic with z-wave purity.

i don't care at all about thread/matter
i went with z-wave so that any smartphone couldn't block my HA communication like they can flood and block wifi networks
i went with homeseer so that everything important happens locally and amazon/google/apple aren't involved

if matter ever turns out to actually matter, someone will write a plugin or HS will incorporate it. i'm not worried at all.

[Eman]

Knowing now that Thread is devices talking to each other, where does that fit in with/for the die hard "Automation" nerds?...
How does that all fit in with my old Pioneer AMP which is currently fired into action using HomeSeer routines/events?... Yes the fully baked Home Automation may/may not require touch control which seemingly is not discussed about all things "Thread"

• The missing code is how to apply to existing Home Automation setups (this device may be required : https://www.nxp.com/products/wireles...s:OM15080-K32W )
• If all goes to plan in the grand scheme of IoT in a connected home, I wouldn't like to be reaching out for my phone to control things but expect the window blinds to magically close if I sat down to watch a movie because the LUX sensor has detected that it's still day light out there... That's what is needed to be discussed in terms of integration

The borderline automation/integration there may seem to be to date where Apple TV 4K is concerned with the addition of HomeSeer and Node-RED routines/Events would be : https://flows.nodered.org/node/node-...rib-apple-tv-x

Well..., you may already have some of these devices in your home so it seems like a good starting point.



Eman.

[upstatemike]

It seem to me that Thread is designed to keep Apple, Google, and Amazon at the center with a hub they can claim is not a hub.
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It is definitely not a hub... or a gateway, or a bridge, or a processor, or a controller. It is an Edge Router which is obviously totally different somehow.

[Eman]

dmiller ,

Demystifying the "complex"

as with the "thread" or the topic at hand...

But if you would prefer more meat on it, right here : https://openthread.io/guides/border-router/web-gui



Eman.

[dmiller]

Demystifying the "complex" : https://www.the-ambient.com/guides/w...mart-home-2410

Thread doesn't seem to solve any problem in a complex smart home. It should solve some connectivity problems in a sparsely populated beginner's smart home.

Many people here have robust z-wave, zigbee and wifi networks. Plus some hippies still running X10 effectively. It's nice to know that my homepod mini's have a thread router, but they sure are still using up a lot of wifi bandwidth while seemingly at idle.

It seem to me that Thread is designed to keep Apple, Google, and Amazon at the center with a hub they can claim is not a hub.

On a tangent I had my first experience with a z-wave USB stick yesterday. Performance sucked until I put it on a USB extension cable. I was surprised. There are certainly several ways that newbies can get a bad impression of z-wave


Matter on zwave 800:
Silicon Labs will be showcasing a Z-Wave to Matter bridge solution with Unify SDK at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2022.

[Eman]

Demystifying the "complex" : https://www.the-ambient.com/guides/w...mart-home-2410

Eman.

[Alex_W]

Lots of announcements of planned support and general intentions. Maybe in another 2 years we will see some actual products get released.

And by then someone will be touting the newer/better/faster Anti-Matter protocol.

Part of the problem is that, for the foreseeable future, we are locked-in to an outdated wiring protocol and antiquated codes. We won't see a tremendous leap forward until the infrastructure goes through a change of the type not seen since the switch from gas to electricity.

[upstatemike]

No technology left behind?
https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...-home-ces-2022

Lots of announcements of planned support and general intentions. Maybe in another 2 years we will see some actual products get released.

[rmasonjr]

No technology left behind?
https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...-home-ces-2022

[ewkearns]

Everything HASS does is incomplete. They haven't even fully implemented dat/time triggers in automation. The recommended z-wave implementation, Z-wave JS, doesn't allow parameter changes yet. Their "full backup" doesn't back up z-wave.

A reasonably complete Matter implementation by them isn't happening any time soon.

I like many aspects of Home Assistant. But its not run by people who understand building robust, complex home automation system that work reliably in real homes.

I'll believe Matter is a viable technology when I can buy a Matter [doohickey] that works with my system. Some people think HA is important enough to have a Homeseer connector. I know nothing of HA, so I can't comment on their capabilities or shortcomings.

OTOH, HA has spoken on the subject and that written material has lasted in the public eye for at least 4 months. That's more than I am accustomed to.