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    I have 2 HS3 systems with Rain8Net irrigation controllers and BLRain8Net plugins. For 3 years, one system has worked fine while the other is plagued with issues. The plagued system has had virtually every component replaced, including the cpu, but to no avail. However, that's not my question here. Many of these problems I could easily deal with except I dont know its a problem until my grass is dying (about 2 weeks in south Texas). And, inevitably, it happens when I'm out of town. I could more easily isolate the problem if I immediately knew the system wasn't really watering, but in real time all HS3 indicators, including the log, show that the event fired and valves were opened; Rain8Net apparently does not report back its actual status so all you know is that Rain8Net was instructed to open, not whether it actually did. Is there anyway to know definitively that a valve opened short of putting a water sensor on the sprinkler head?? Is there an inline water flo-sensor?? Is there an irrigation controller that reports its actual status??
    HS3Pro on Windows 10
    One install with 2 Ethernet Z-nets
    2nd install with 1 Zstick
    300 devices, 250 events, 8 scripts
    5 CT-100 tstats
    Serial IT-100 interface to DSC Panel with 8 wired zones
    18 Fortrezz water sensors & two valve controls
    Serial Rain8Net Pro with 8 zones

  • #2
    I put flow sensors on our main water line and also the line used for irrigation. Then I've set up HS to alert when there's flow when there should be none, or when there's no flow when there should be some. I use the DLJ water meters coupled with a mimolite. Fortrezz now has an integrated option too: http://www.fortrezz.com/flow-meter.

    Cheers
    Al
    HS 3.0.0.548: 1976 Devices 1156 Events
    Z-Wave 3.0.1.262: 123 Nodes on one Z-Net

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sheriff View Post
      Rain8Net apparently does not report back its actual status so all you know is that Rain8Net was instructed to open, not whether it actually did. Is there anyway to know definitively that a valve opened short of putting a water sensor on the sprinkler head?? Is there an inline water flo-sensor?? Is there an irrigation controller that reports its actual status??
      I believe the Rain8Net reports it's relay status, but if the valve doesn't open, the relay controller can't tell. If Blade's plug-in closes the loop with the Rain8 (mcsSprinklers does, for sure), then I would suspect the problem is in the wiring to the valve(s) (or the valve itself).
      Mike____________________________________________________________ __________________
      HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.548

      HW: Stargate | NX8e | CAV6.6 | Squeezebox | PCS | WGL 800RF, Rain8Net+ | RFXCOM | QSE100D | Vantage Pro | Green-Eye | X10: XTB-232, -IIR | Edgeport/8 | Way2Call | Ecobee3

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      • #4
        Here too used a DLJ water meter. Connected it to a dual 1-wire counter.

        Went to the original Rain8Net serial devices (2).

        Lines here are 1" copper to RPZ to plastic manifold to PVC zones. (plus an on demand Davey Flow pump).

        Did have two Rain8net glitches over 10 years. One was relating to a thunderstorm / lighting thing trigger on solenoid on and not shutting off. Next one was a lightning strike taking out the two Rain8Nets.

        I also originally went to using my Rain Tipping bucket then going to a digital water sensor (rain) for the irrigation stuff (along with just reading a csv file generated by the weather station).
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        • #5
          Originally posted by sparkman View Post
          I put flow sensors on our main water line and also the line used for irrigation. Then I've set up HS to alert when there's flow when there should be none, or when there's no flow when there should be some. I use the DLJ water meters coupled with a mimolite. Fortrezz now has an integrated option too: http://www.fortrezz.com/flow-meter.

          Cheers
          Al
          My understanding is that you would need to add the physical meter as well to the existing meter correct? This means I would need also a plumber. Does anyone know if there is a device that can be attached on the meter to read its values without additional hardware? Here I have two meters one for the water and the one for the sewer and still the bill comes around $600 without watering it too much, this year the grass was completely yellow since I can not afford $1000 for three months. This device will definitely help me to figure out how much water I can use or that I have been using in a month period instead of 3 months.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by aldo View Post
            My understanding is that you would need to add the physical meter as well to the existing meter correct? This means I would need also a plumber. Does anyone know if there is a device that can be attached on the meter to read its values without additional hardware? Here I have two meters one for the water and the one for the sewer and still the bill comes around $600 without watering it too much, this year the grass was completely yellow since I can not afford $1000 for three months. This device will definitely help me to figure out how much water I can use or that I have been using in a month period instead of 3 months.
            Yes, the DLJ meters are an addition. Should only be about an hour of labor to install. It may be possible to use our existing meter. Post a picture of it and do some googling as there may be info on the net on how to do that.

            Cheers
            Al
            HS 3.0.0.548: 1976 Devices 1156 Events
            Z-Wave 3.0.1.262: 123 Nodes on one Z-Net

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            • #7
              No Mike, Rain8Net does not report its status. I can watch it: HS sends a command, but R8N does not light up the zone and relay to the valve. Nevertheless, HS device and log shows the instruction as successful. New question: what device will tell me if a 12 volt circuit is hot? Instead of screwing with the plumbing, I could put that device on the wiring for the first zone and see that it turned on.
              HS3Pro on Windows 10
              One install with 2 Ethernet Z-nets
              2nd install with 1 Zstick
              300 devices, 250 events, 8 scripts
              5 CT-100 tstats
              Serial IT-100 interface to DSC Panel with 8 wired zones
              18 Fortrezz water sensors & two valve controls
              Serial Rain8Net Pro with 8 zones

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              • #8
                Aren't your valves 24VAC? Simplest would be to hook up a relay meant for that voltage and then use something that can take a dry contact to signal HS. Mimolite is an option, X10 DS10, etc. I went with the flow meter because I had a valve once that got stuck in the open position which flooded part of the back yard and wasted a lot of water. Now I can detect it and also when the valves don't open when they should.
                HS 3.0.0.548: 1976 Devices 1156 Events
                Z-Wave 3.0.1.262: 123 Nodes on one Z-Net

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                • #9
                  Hey Al,

                  Yes to 24V, I wasn't thinking. And thanks for the mimolite suggestion; that's what I was looking for. I've seen references to be mimolite on the board, but never knew what it was; that will work great. Thank you.
                  HS3Pro on Windows 10
                  One install with 2 Ethernet Z-nets
                  2nd install with 1 Zstick
                  300 devices, 250 events, 8 scripts
                  5 CT-100 tstats
                  Serial IT-100 interface to DSC Panel with 8 wired zones
                  18 Fortrezz water sensors & two valve controls
                  Serial Rain8Net Pro with 8 zones

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sparkman View Post
                    Yes, the DLJ meters are an addition. Should only be about an hour of labor to install. It may be possible to use our existing meter. Post a picture of it and do some googling as there may be info on the net on how to do that.

                    Cheers
                    Al


                    This is my meter

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by aldo View Post


                      This is my meter

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                      Sorry, I decided to clean them and take a better picture. I have two meters

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                      • #12
                        Looks like it should be possible. Hold a compass close to it when water is flowing and if the compass needle moves on occasion, then it will work. Take a look here for some ideas: http://www.instructables.com/id/Moni...-reading-muni/. You may be able to use a reed switch which would be simpler.

                        Cheers
                        Al

                        PS For your second meter, put a volt meter across the two terminals when water is flowing. You should see a periodic change.
                        HS 3.0.0.548: 1976 Devices 1156 Events
                        Z-Wave 3.0.1.262: 123 Nodes on one Z-Net

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sparkman View Post
                          Looks like it should be possible. Hold a compass close to it when water is flowing and if the compass needle moves on occasion, then it will work. Take a look here for some ideas: http://www.instructables.com/id/Moni...-reading-muni/. You may be able to use a reed switch which would be simpler.

                          Cheers
                          Al
                          Thanks, I'm trying to figure out what technology they use to read it from outside, then would be perhaps easy to use the same technique?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aldo View Post
                            Thanks, I'm trying to figure out what technology they use to read it from outside, then would be perhaps easy to use the same technique?
                            That likely will be much harder than just counting the pulses. There is some info on the web about the Sensus protocols, but it's not trivial.
                            HS 3.0.0.548: 1976 Devices 1156 Events
                            Z-Wave 3.0.1.262: 123 Nodes on one Z-Net

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sheriff View Post
                              No Mike, Rain8Net does not report its status. I can watch it: HS sends a command, but R8N does not light up the zone and relay to the valve. Nevertheless, HS device and log shows the instruction as successful.
                              My guess is that Blade's plug-in does not check for confirmation. mcsSprinklers confirms that the Rain8Net responds.
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                              HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.548

                              HW: Stargate | NX8e | CAV6.6 | Squeezebox | PCS | WGL 800RF, Rain8Net+ | RFXCOM | QSE100D | Vantage Pro | Green-Eye | X10: XTB-232, -IIR | Edgeport/8 | Way2Call | Ecobee3

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