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    Keypad with load disconnected, why can Button A not be triggered on an ON or an OFF ?

    I naturally thought that I could trigger on an ON and an OFF on every button of a keypad. But it seems that the event create logic wants to disagree and not let me...

    This reverts back to wanting a Dim(value)% , so how do you trigger just a press in toggle mode if you wish to light to show?

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    I cannot figure out if it is a limitation of the keypad device itself, the HS3 event logic getting in the way, or something specific with Insteon plugin...

    EDIT: I just realized that it is ONLY with the ON that this weird behavior happens, the OFF is a valid event config. I just "assumed" makes an *** of me! that OFF was the same...

    Help?

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    #2
    so you are having trouble configuring a trigger for button A changes and becomes On? is that right
    Last edited by mnsandler; May 24, 2020, 03:56 PM. Reason: so you are having trouble configuring a trigger for button A changes and becomes On? is that right
    Mark

    HS3 Pro 3.0.0.534
    Hardware: Insteon Serial PLM | AD2USB for Vista Alarm | HAI Omnistat2 | 1-Wire HA7E | RFXrec433 | Dahua Cameras | LiftMaster Internet Gateway
    Plugins: Insteon (mine) | Vista Alarm (mine) | Omnistat 3 (by Kirby) | Ultra1Wire3 | RFXCOM | NetCAM | MyQ | BLRadar | BLDenon | Jon00 Charting
    Platform: HP h8-1360t, Windows Server 2012 R2, i7-3.4GHz, 16GB memory

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      #3
      Have you tried configuring the Insteon Special Trigger/device transmit an On command?
      Mark

      HS3 Pro 3.0.0.534
      Hardware: Insteon Serial PLM | AD2USB for Vista Alarm | HAI Omnistat2 | 1-Wire HA7E | RFXrec433 | Dahua Cameras | LiftMaster Internet Gateway
      Plugins: Insteon (mine) | Vista Alarm (mine) | Omnistat 3 (by Kirby) | Ultra1Wire3 | RFXCOM | NetCAM | MyQ | BLRadar | BLDenon | Jon00 Charting
      Platform: HP h8-1360t, Windows Server 2012 R2, i7-3.4GHz, 16GB memory

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        #4
        I have posted 3.0.7.25 in the beta section of the Updater. Please give it a try. you might need to enable/disable the Detached Load to get the plugin in sync with the device
        Mark

        HS3 Pro 3.0.0.534
        Hardware: Insteon Serial PLM | AD2USB for Vista Alarm | HAI Omnistat2 | 1-Wire HA7E | RFXrec433 | Dahua Cameras | LiftMaster Internet Gateway
        Plugins: Insteon (mine) | Vista Alarm (mine) | Omnistat 3 (by Kirby) | Ultra1Wire3 | RFXCOM | NetCAM | MyQ | BLRadar | BLDenon | Jon00 Charting
        Platform: HP h8-1360t, Windows Server 2012 R2, i7-3.4GHz, 16GB memory

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          #5
          Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
          so you are having trouble configuring a trigger for button A changes and becomes On? is that right
          Yes. Event won't allow this config shown below to 'stick' , and the drop down immediately reverts to Dim (value)%. Doesn't behave like this with OFF

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            #6
            Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
            Have you tried configuring the Insteon Special Trigger/device transmit an On command?
            Not familiar with this. I didn't see anything related in the Insteon device config, and no options in the event. Maybe in scripting, but didn't look.

            Info?

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              #7
              Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
              I have posted 3.0.7.25 in the beta section of the Updater. Please give it a try. you might need to enable/disable the Detached Load to get the plugin in sync with the device
              OK, I will give it a try later, after I've got my errors sorted. This one is more an annoyance at this time.

              Thanks,
              Andrew

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                #8
                the plugin doesn't control the trigger definition you are trying, that is an HS trigger. Not sure why the On state is giving you trouble.

                do you see the same problem with other KPL Buttons? or is it just the A button

                Mark

                HS3 Pro 3.0.0.534
                Hardware: Insteon Serial PLM | AD2USB for Vista Alarm | HAI Omnistat2 | 1-Wire HA7E | RFXrec433 | Dahua Cameras | LiftMaster Internet Gateway
                Plugins: Insteon (mine) | Vista Alarm (mine) | Omnistat 3 (by Kirby) | Ultra1Wire3 | RFXCOM | NetCAM | MyQ | BLRadar | BLDenon | Jon00 Charting
                Platform: HP h8-1360t, Windows Server 2012 R2, i7-3.4GHz, 16GB memory

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
                  the plugin doesn't control the trigger definition you are trying, that is an HS trigger. Not sure why the On state is giving you trouble.

                  do you see the same problem with other KPL Buttons? or is it just the A button
                  No problem with any of the other 7 buttons. I have events that control Sonos and other Insteon devices all controlled by the 'ON' trigger... perfectly.

                  Me thinks (IMHO) something is assuming that a keypad button A is always a dimmer...

                  Not a big deal at the moment, I have free buttons that I can use instead, but would be good to be able to use all 8 buttons on my 'relatively expensive' Insteon keypad.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by amr42 View Post

                    No problem with any of the other 7 buttons. I have events that control Sonos and other Insteon devices all controlled by the 'ON' trigger... perfectly.

                    Me thinks (IMHO) something is assuming that a keypad button A is always a dimmer...

                    Not a big deal at the moment, I have free buttons that I can use instead, but would be good to be able to use all 8 buttons on my 'relatively expensive' Insteon keypad.
                    On a KPL dimmer i do define the A Button as dimmable whereas the others are not .

                    I would suggest using the Insteon Special trigger.
                    Mark

                    HS3 Pro 3.0.0.534
                    Hardware: Insteon Serial PLM | AD2USB for Vista Alarm | HAI Omnistat2 | 1-Wire HA7E | RFXrec433 | Dahua Cameras | LiftMaster Internet Gateway
                    Plugins: Insteon (mine) | Vista Alarm (mine) | Omnistat 3 (by Kirby) | Ultra1Wire3 | RFXCOM | NetCAM | MyQ | BLRadar | BLDenon | Jon00 Charting
                    Platform: HP h8-1360t, Windows Server 2012 R2, i7-3.4GHz, 16GB memory

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
                      On a KPL dimmer i do define the A Button as dimmable whereas the others are not.
                      OK, but when Button A is disconnected from the load (a valid Insteon keypad configuration item) then dimming means nothing. Actually, your plugin creates a new device called 'Load' which would be controllable by dimming (IMHO). As I said before, no biggie for me right now.

                      Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
                      I would suggest using the Insteon Special trigger.
                      I'm still not familiar with what you mean by the "Insteon Special trigger". Can you direct me to a manual page, or useful URL please?

                      Thx,
                      A

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                        Mark

                        HS3 Pro 3.0.0.534
                        Hardware: Insteon Serial PLM | AD2USB for Vista Alarm | HAI Omnistat2 | 1-Wire HA7E | RFXrec433 | Dahua Cameras | LiftMaster Internet Gateway
                        Plugins: Insteon (mine) | Vista Alarm (mine) | Omnistat 3 (by Kirby) | Ultra1Wire3 | RFXCOM | NetCAM | MyQ | BLRadar | BLDenon | Jon00 Charting
                        Platform: HP h8-1360t, Windows Server 2012 R2, i7-3.4GHz, 16GB memory

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mnsandler View Post
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                          Got it. Thx.

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