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  • mfisher
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    Originally posted by Pete View Post
    mfisher

    I keep developer mode off these days but wondering if there is a way that you could put a switch for X10 debug mode with the developer mode box unchecked?
    Hi Pete, thanks for the suggestion, I'll add this to the enhancement list.

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  • Pete
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    Yes here utilize the inverted Radio Shack antenna for the CheaperRFID and W800 here. Dan Rozwood is still around. Originally installed the Cheaper RFID device with pigtail in the attic with a long RS-232 (cat5e) wire to the basement (2 floors down). Worked fine then tried the inverted RS antenna and it worked better. I wasn't looking for that long of range anyhow. I used a second one with a pigtail in the old Rainbird irrigation box in the garage. The attic is very high here and I just cut a piece of PVC and fastened it to a cross beam and connected the antenna to the PVC tube. In the attic for years now is a RPi2 doing ZWave via GPIO plus USB radioi downloading NOAA weather maps (another antenna) and also a GPS board with PPS and a long serial cable to the basement firewall for NTP.

    The automobile tags here are buried in the headliners.

    I use X10 today for the Christmas lighting via a CM11A and a Volp dual phase TW-523 emulator (X10 on steroids) and still have a Volp X10 amplifier around. I put outlet on boxes next to the fuse panel with their breakers and serial runs out to the server boxes. Did the same with powerline UPB. There is one serial Zigbee device there and tinkering these day with a USB Zigbee device (well plus the Samsung hub sitting on the main floor of the home).

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  • The Keeper
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    Oh, ok, gotcha. I did a bit of wandering around the HS forums, and I see the discussions from like 12 years ago on antennae. A lot of the links are dead, but hopefully I can figure some of them out. I do actually have a manufactured antenna from RS that I think is what Dan Rozwood was referring to, but I must have had it connected wrong, to whatever it was I was testing it with, because it wasn't any better than what I was already using. But if I can go down to one CheaperRFID receiver for the 40m tags in the wood barn, replacing the pigtail with a much better antenna, then that would be great. I'll have to revisit it in a month or two after I get the basics of my HS3 setup running.

    I found the CheaperRFID quite helpful with our doberman/rot mix dog. She was the best -- you could just open the door, she'd do her thing, and come right back. But sometimes we'd forget, and once or twice she'd get bored and wander off. So the 8m tag she had on her collar was very useful, I had it set reminders that she needed to go out, or that she'd been let out but the back door hadn't been opened for her yet. There was a very stern reminder at "alarm set from inside" time that the tag disappeared after the back door had been opened and closed, and that someone should really let Chelsea back in.

    Thanks,
    Chris

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  • Pete
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    mfisher

    I keep developer mode off these days but wondering if there is a way that you could put a switch for X10 debug mode with the developer mode box unchecked?

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  • Pete
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    Oh, and which RFID tags do you use?

    I have some of the CheaperRFID units, which basically work ok, but I wouldn't mind something more robust that doesn't cost hundreds of dollars per vehicle.


    Here been using them for years and they work well enough for me. Had two receivers and switched to one with a larger antenna inverted in the attic. I use them for automation but have no dependences or direct connectivity to security.

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  • The Keeper
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    Thank you, that seems to have done it, as far as setting up an X10 device within HS3.

    I see that HS3 is different from HS2 in that received X10 signals aren't emitted to the log, so between adding the device wrong and received X10 signals not in the log, it looked like the CM11A wasn't working, but it apparently is.

    Thanks,
    Chris


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  • mfisher
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    Regarding your CM11a not working, here are three things to try:
    1)
    Make sure you are creating X10 devices according to the instructions in this sticky:
    https://forums.homeseer.com/forum/lighting-primary-technology-plug-ins/lighting-primary-technology-discussion/x10-homeseer/92984-how-to-create-a-new-x10-device-in-hs3-very-important
    2) Turn on Developer Mode on the HS3 'Manage Plugins' page - this will provide additional CM11a plugin messages.
    3) Install the current beta release as it provides much more debug and low level CM11a communication info: https://forums.homeseer.com/forum/li...-beta-releases

    Note that turning Developer Mode on will affect all plugins, so if your log gets flooded with debug messages you will want to turn this off after things are working.

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  • The Keeper
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    Hey, so, I swapped like 16 or 18 X10 outlets and switches for Z-Wave, and started setting up the new HS3 system (welcome to the 21st century, amirite?).

    I connected the CM11A to one of the DB9's on the Digi Edgeport/8, added the interface to HS3, and HS3 indicated that the interface was successfully initialized. (And I know it was able to find it, because I had to reconfigure the ports on the Digi and HS3 couldn't find the CM11A until I rebooted.)

    Except the CM11A doesn't seem to be doing anything. I don't see an indication that X10 commands being transmitted by controllers in the house are being received in the HS3 log, and when I added a test device to HS3 at A1, and then proceed to toggle it on and off, I didn't see any sign of activity in either the HS2, or the X10 repeater that would normally blink when repeating signals.

    There doesn't seem to be any error message of any sort. Is it possibly a bad CM11A then? I've had it for probably 10 years, likely received as part of one of the lots of X10 stuff I bought on eBay, but I've never used it.

    Is there any way to debug what's going on? Or should I Just buy another CM11A and see if that's what the problem is?


    As an aside, thanks for the tip about keeping the house code on those Eagle/Hawk Eye units -- I had no idea. I always would just pull both batteries out and replace them, and proceed to fight with the temperamental buttons to try to reprogram them. I've bought quite a few Z-Wave motion and door sensors, but I haven't paired anything yet, and I hope I don't regret having bought them... I won't get rid of the X10 RF stuff just yet, just in case.


    Oh, and which RFID tags do you use? I have some of the CheaperRFID units, which basically work ok, but I wouldn't mind something more robust that doesn't cost hundreds of dollars per vehicle.

    Thanks,
    Chris

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  • Pete
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    did you find an advantage to sticking to X10 wireless?

    I use an old x10 palm pad to turn on my Christmas light all at once from the sidewalk facing my home to test.

    I have used wireless hawkeyes to figure out placement of the wired pirs. X10 Door switches / windows switches for tinkering. IE: rain guage, rain sensor, etc

    There is a trick to changing batteries and keeping the house code. Change one battery first then the second one and it will not lose the house code.

    Batteries last forever on these. The Zigbee wireless sensor batteries (12VDC) only last about a year for me.

    For a bit way long time ago played with occupancy (very low on the WAF) using ceiling mounted PIRs and wall mounted PIRs. Not doing this any more. Have been upgrading my interior PIRs to dual type sensors (microwave and PIR).

    Outdoor motion use wired Optex, wired under the driveway sensors, wired vibration sensors (geophones) that worked OK.

    Automobiles have RF tags and I use TTS for these.

    IP HD motion outside really never worked well for me.

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  • The Keeper
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    Ah, yes, CP/M. My father built some Z80-based Heathkit systems back in the day. Even figured out how to interface to a Radio Shack computer to turn the CP/M system into a storage device that the TRS80 could access. Oh, yeah, I remember a Star Trek game, this would have been back in the mid 1980's at this point... Then worked my way through DEC systems, PDP-11's and VAXen... Ah, the good old days of very limited resources and not entirely reliable hardware, lol...

    Anywho, so I guess I'm wondering, now that I've bought (but not yet deployed) the replacement Z-Wave sensors, did you find an advantage to sticking to X10 wireless? Or do you not really have that many wireless, and you're mostly wired with your 48-zone system?

    The X10 sensors do seem to transmit pretty quickly, but the stupid buttons on the HawkEye and EagleEye are a real pain after swapping batteries. The security sensors are ok, and last a long time, but they're huge monster bricks in size and the security motion sensor in the first floor doesn't trigger until you've been in the bathroom for like 15-20 seconds for some reason. If you press the button on the back of it, the light will immediately turn on, but that's not really the point of a _motion_ sensor.

    Thanks,
    Chris

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  • Pete
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    Here only utilize Wireless X10 sensors. Only tinkering with ZWave and Zigbee wireless sensors but not using them. My OmniPro panel is wired for 48 zones and prefer to utilize my wired sensors.

    First tinkering with wireless for automation now is using MQTT and modded WiFi devices.

    Yeah here started to tinker with computers in the late 1970's ...always a hobby though. Played Star Trek on a Teletype machine in a water closet while I was taking a long physics class / lab.

    Purchased a Kaypro CPM computer in the early 1980's to tinker with numbers (accounting stuff) and concurrently started to play with Commodore. Thinking I had the first Commodore Pet based BBS here near Chicago in the 80's connecting the PET to a stack of Ventel modems to a bunch of phone lines. (actually took the phones lines until ma bell disconnected me).

    In the 2000's learned a bit of the old tinkering with MATIP enabled Cisco Routers and creating a guide for those unfamiliar with using ALC/MATIP...

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  • The Keeper
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    Gotcha.

    I bought a couple dozen Z-Wave wireless sensors so I could move away from X10 wireless, but things like the X10 motion floodlamps don't seem to have a Z-Wave equivalent that I could find. Maybe "HA3.1" in another year or so I'll be able to justify spending more to finish converting over to Z-Wave (with some hard-wired sensors that I can run alarm wire to my JDS TimeCommanders).

    I've been using Unix since Ultrix/SunOS/Solaris/IRIX, but I never really found much use for it in the home; it's too much of a pain to keep it updated, IMO. More power to you if you can pull it off, though. I might dabble in some embedded Linux at some point, but for now it's just Win7/Win10/OSX.

    Thanks,
    Chris

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  • Pete
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    Good News Chris.

    I do not use an Ocelot any more and did test Homeseer 3 / Linux running the Ocelot / TW523 combo and W800. Today utilize the Volp dual phased TW523 emulator connected to my Leviton Omni Pro 2 panel. Leave CM11A's connected to my Homeseer 3 instance. I still do have a Volp X10 amplifier connected to one CM11A.

    I use powerline X10 for the Christmas lighting and wireless X10 for tinkering mostly (well with old palm pads). I am at 100% these days.

    I have stayed here in powerline mode having converted all of the wall switches now to UPB. The Omni Pro panel does also speak ZWave and Zigbee along with Homeseer 3.

    New thing here is WiFi / MQTT using embedded Tasmota or Espurna firmware.

    Mostly here using Ubuntu Linux on desktops / laptops dual booting to Windows 10 (but not really using it much these days).

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  • The Keeper
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    Funny story, I rummaged through my X10 bin, and amongst the few dozen other X10 modules and switches and such, I came across another TW523, two more 1132CU, and a CM11A with a cable. So, thanks for the suggestion, looks like I'm set.

    Chris

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  • The Keeper
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    Oh, yeah, sorry, I have a few TW523's hanging off my embedded devices, and I have a few W800's, too, which I'll be retiring. I even made a couple of those screwball spider-shaped antennae using 12GA Romex so I could get some extra range out of them. I was just saying that I don't have any familiarity with the old X10 interfaces at this point because the last dedicated X10 interface I bought was a TW523, so I didn't know if the CM11A or CM15A worked any better than the other.

    Ok, I'll go with a CM11A then, thanks. I'm reducing the number of serial devices that I'll be using, so I should have a couple free ports open on my 8-port Digi.

    Thanks,
    Chris

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