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  • #16
    Originally posted by sparkman View Post

    There’s no way to upgrade them as it involves both hardware and firmware. For battery powered devices, that do not participate in routing packets, I can’t see any value in replacing them if they are still working fine.
    Thanks for getting back so quickly. Kinda thought that might be the case. Just wondering and wanting to stay up to date. Locks in particular as they are a security item.

    All three items work great. Locks get good battery life, thermostat reports almost instantly as far as I can tell. It's been kind off set it and forget it.

    Chuck

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    • #17
      Just a follow-up to my previous post regarding Schlage door locks and their firmware. I had contacted Schlage customer service asking about the availability of a firmware update. I finally got a response. See below:


      "Chuck,

      Thanks for reaching out to Schlage Support! I'm sorry for the delay in response. The Connect BE468/BE469 has a static firmware that is not able to be updated.

      Please let me know if you have any questions

      Thank you and Have a safe day!


      Deanna Green
      Consumer Loyalty Representative


      ACHIEVER - LEARNER - DEVELOPER - INDIVIDUALIZATION - ADAPTABILITY


      Allegion : Schlage
      2119 E Kansas City Rd.
      Olathe, KS 66061


      E: consumerschlage@allegion.com P: 888-805-9837 F:800-449-1481


      7:30am-5:30pm Mon-Fri and 9:00am-3:00pm Saturday,Central Time"

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      • #18
        Rich,

        If I understood this correctly you never want to optimize older Z-Wave devices because if you don't optimize them they will never become a routable node? It's the Optimize cycle that make an older Z-Wave node a routable node. If that's the correct that's great to know as I have never wanted to route through an older 40KHz nodes but didn't know how to stop it. Now I just have to remember to never optimize older nodes.

        When an older Z-Wave node sends its data at 40KHz to be routed through a Z-Wave Plus node does the routed traffic go at 100KHz rate from the Z-Wave Plus node to the Z-Wave Plus controller? I would hope so as it speeds up the traffic from the older Z-Wave node once it gets to the first Z-Wave Plus node.

        Z-Wave Plus nodes will more or less optimize and create routes themselves over time. However optimizing them is fine especially if they are on the fringe of ones network.

        Would be nice if you could clear the routes without having to preform a restore but I'm guessing that was never added as a command to a Z-Wave controller.

        Well, I'm going to do a save and restore and get those older nodes out of the routing tables.
        HomeSeer Version: HS3 Standard Edition 3.0.0.531 | Mono JIT compiler version 5.20.1.19 (tarball Thu Apr 11 09:02:17 UTC 2019)
        Linux version: Linux auto 4.15.0-48-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 3 08:28:49 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
        IP Address: 10.0.2.16 | Number of Devices: 417 | Number of Events: 667 | Available Threads: 399 | HSTouch Enabled: True

        Enabled Plug-Ins: AirplaySpeak: 3.0.0.13 | BLBackup: 2.0.61.0 | EasyTrigger: 3.0.0.65 | LiftMaster MyQ: 1.3.7006.42100
        mcsMQTT: 4.0.2.2 | PHLocation2: 3.0.0.53 | Pushover 3P: 0.0.0.45 | Z-Wave: 3.0.1.262

        Z-Net version: 1.0.23 using a HomeSeer SmartStick+: 6.04 (ZDK 6.81.3)

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        • #19
          OMT just to clear everything up.

          Does "Optimize" mean both "Optimize" and "Full Optimize" when it comes to allowing a node, either Z-Wave or Z-Wave Plus, to act as a routing node or does a node only become a routing node when "Full Optimize" is used?
          HomeSeer Version: HS3 Standard Edition 3.0.0.531 | Mono JIT compiler version 5.20.1.19 (tarball Thu Apr 11 09:02:17 UTC 2019)
          Linux version: Linux auto 4.15.0-48-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 3 08:28:49 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
          IP Address: 10.0.2.16 | Number of Devices: 417 | Number of Events: 667 | Available Threads: 399 | HSTouch Enabled: True

          Enabled Plug-Ins: AirplaySpeak: 3.0.0.13 | BLBackup: 2.0.61.0 | EasyTrigger: 3.0.0.65 | LiftMaster MyQ: 1.3.7006.42100
          mcsMQTT: 4.0.2.2 | PHLocation2: 3.0.0.53 | Pushover 3P: 0.0.0.45 | Z-Wave: 3.0.1.262

          Z-Net version: 1.0.23 using a HomeSeer SmartStick+: 6.04 (ZDK 6.81.3)

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          • #20
            I still have a question on Optimize verses Full Optimize as described in this thread. Are we saying that we should never Optimize nodes for the reason stated or should we Optimize but not Full Optimize for the reason stated.
            HomeSeer Version: HS3 Standard Edition 3.0.0.531 | Mono JIT compiler version 5.20.1.19 (tarball Thu Apr 11 09:02:17 UTC 2019)
            Linux version: Linux auto 4.15.0-48-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 3 08:28:49 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
            IP Address: 10.0.2.16 | Number of Devices: 417 | Number of Events: 667 | Available Threads: 399 | HSTouch Enabled: True

            Enabled Plug-Ins: AirplaySpeak: 3.0.0.13 | BLBackup: 2.0.61.0 | EasyTrigger: 3.0.0.65 | LiftMaster MyQ: 1.3.7006.42100
            mcsMQTT: 4.0.2.2 | PHLocation2: 3.0.0.53 | Pushover 3P: 0.0.0.45 | Z-Wave: 3.0.1.262

            Z-Net version: 1.0.23 using a HomeSeer SmartStick+: 6.04 (ZDK 6.81.3)

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            • #21
              Similar question to Timon : if I have a 40KHz node that has become a router for another node, I assume I'd want to eliminate that routing option if possible? If so, do I optimizse the downstream node to do that? Or some other node "between" the two? Unclear on that. (This is all after doing the backup/restore thing.)

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              • #22
                The only way that I've been able to remove a node from being a router is to backup the Z-Wave settings then reload them. Once reloaded I then only do a full optimize on those nodes that I want to be a router. Believe me I wish I knew of a way to remove a node from being a router so I would have to do a save, restore and manual optimize.

                That said this is exactly why I still want to know for sure if Optimize will cause a node to be able to be used as a router? I would think that would be what one would expect and doing a Full Optimize would then allow routing. I'd like that to be explained.

                What I would like to see is an option to never make non Z-Wave Plus routers under any condition. Then you could safely do an optimization of any type and know that non-plus nodes would never be routers but they would still know all the plus nodes that are around them and which ones are routers.
                HomeSeer Version: HS3 Standard Edition 3.0.0.531 | Mono JIT compiler version 5.20.1.19 (tarball Thu Apr 11 09:02:17 UTC 2019)
                Linux version: Linux auto 4.15.0-48-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 3 08:28:49 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
                IP Address: 10.0.2.16 | Number of Devices: 417 | Number of Events: 667 | Available Threads: 399 | HSTouch Enabled: True

                Enabled Plug-Ins: AirplaySpeak: 3.0.0.13 | BLBackup: 2.0.61.0 | EasyTrigger: 3.0.0.65 | LiftMaster MyQ: 1.3.7006.42100
                mcsMQTT: 4.0.2.2 | PHLocation2: 3.0.0.53 | Pushover 3P: 0.0.0.45 | Z-Wave: 3.0.1.262

                Z-Net version: 1.0.23 using a HomeSeer SmartStick+: 6.04 (ZDK 6.81.3)

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                • #23
                  So how does one "restore" after backing up?
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                  • #24
                    This "official" article should be taken with a grain of salt.

                    For some Z-Wave USB sticks HomeSeer doesn't support restores AT ALL (the post above is a good example). In other cases HomeSeer DOES have the restore option but is KNOWN to not actually work. In both scenarios you will end up with a blank controller.

                    If you contact HomeSeer they will advise you now need to rebuild your system - manually.

                    Following this article is therefore a pot luck of either 1) Clearing out your routes, or 2) Shoving your HomeSeer system up your ***.

                    You've been warned.

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