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    #16
    What version of the Napco GEM-AUTOMATION EEPROM do you have?

    I need to confirm you actually do have the automation EEPROM installed as I believe Quickloader works with or without it but the HS3 plugin will not.
    HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
    Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
    Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
    Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
    http://www.kazteel.com/

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      #17
      So I went ahead an purchased a Tripplite Keyspan 19HS USB/serial adapter which is the same one you started with. I was able to install the software that came with it making sure to skip the windows update driver check.






      I was then able to update my hspi_napco_gemini.ini and change to COM4. I then plugged in my panel via the normal GEM-RS232, fired up HS3 and it worked out of the box.



      I then swapped out the GEM-RS232 for PCI-MINI and that worked too



      Finally I connected a new RS2323 tester between the tripplite and the PCI-MINI and made a short video showing the changes in the CTS level that are necessary for the plugin to work with a panel that has GEM-AUTOMATION installed.

      http://www.kazteel.com/HomeSeer3/Nap...test_video.mp4

      The RS232 tester can be found on Amazon at the link below. I guess if you already have one or could purchase one you could see the state of the CTS signal which will likely confirm what the plugin sees and that is it doesn't change.

      http://amzn.com/B004OT995U

      Do you have any other ideas?
      HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
      Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
      Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
      Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
      http://www.kazteel.com/

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        #18
        Thanks for all the effort, Nathan, but I just can't seem to replicate your success.

        I uninstalled all of the drivers except the Aeon Z-Stick and rebooted countless times. Then I reinstalled with more countless reboots.

        There was a Prolific driver installed and nothing seemed to be using it. I removed it through the add/remove programs. When I reinstalled the drivers from the adapter installation programs, the Prolific driver did not reappear. I requested a downloadable factory reflash of my Hometroller harddrive to truly start all over.

        I also tried a Belkin USB-Serial Adapter.

        Here's what I have:
        Hometroller SE running Windows XPe
        Homeseer HS3 Pro 3.0.0.96

        Belkin F5U109 adapter - Driver: MCT Corp, 8/26/2002. 2.60.826.2
        Tripplite USA-19HS - Driver: KSPN, 9/20/2007, 3.7.0.2
        VSCOM mini - Driver: FTDI, 7/12/2013, 2.8.30.0

        All are set to 9600,8,none,1,none

        I don't have the serial tester, but I'll go ahead and order one if I can't find it locally.

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          #19
          What version of the GEM-AUTOMATION chip do you have installed in your panel?
          HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
          Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
          Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
          Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
          http://www.kazteel.com/

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            #20
            The GEM-Automation chip sticker has HA 20B hand written on the sticker. Photo attached...
            Attached Files

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              #21
              I crafted my original post below with my research seeming to say the P3200 doesn't support automation, however, Napco's own manual for programming for automation is dated 03/13 (2013) and lists P3200 as supported.

              On page 5 of their doc shows the RTS/CTS initial handshake method. It also has an alternate handshake not relying on RTS/CTS that it says is supported for P3200 in firmware 40b and above (30b and above on P9600 panel) I'm not sure if your P3200 20b firmware will be able to use this? It's worth a try though since we are having issues with the RTS/CTC handshake and Napco went to the trouble of creating this alternate handshake. My P9600 is 40c so I will try to get this alternate initial handshake working and then post back a debug version. This may take a few days.



              ---------------------------

              I did some more research this morning. I'm getting the sense that Napco did support HA (GEM-AUTOMATION) in older P3200 panels but newer (2004?) P3200 panels stopped supporting HA?? See the third post from 8/2004 by Bass

              I looked up the P3200 panel on smarthome where they have a spec sheet and it only lists PCIMINI and quickloader, not HA

              I came across this Napco dealer PDF that appears to show increasing functionality added with increasing size panel hardware from 816 to 1632 to 3200 to 9600 to X255.

              At the 9600 level, it has the bullet points below. I assume this means the 9600 and X255 has the capability but the smaller panels do not?
              Support GEM-Automation alarm-to-pc automation software package interface.
              Support Phast Automation Systems with GEM-PHASTPAK Interface
              Permits permanent Panel-Port connection to Automation Hubs using GEM-RS232 Interface






              HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
              Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
              Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
              Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
              http://www.kazteel.com/

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                #22
                My Napco Panel was purchased in 2003 and the PC Board is version 21.

                The user guide for the v20 and above is here.

                On Page two, it states:
                NOTE: Typically, any version GEM-P3200 control panel could be upgraded to the latest firmware by replacing the
                EPROM with a newer version. This is no longer the case. The Firmware Version 20 EPROM must only be used in a
                Version 18 (or greater) PCBoard. Do NOT attempt to upgrade a GEM-P3200 control panel which currently is running
                Firmware Version 11C (or prior) to version 20 (or greater) by replacing the EPROM.
                The PCBoard version ( triangle number) is printed on a triangular shaped sticker affixed to the GEM-P3200 circuit board.


                The triangle sticker on my board has a "21" printed on it.

                Also, a small chip under the Automation chip says "GEM-P3200 090309"

                I found the original chip that the board came with and it has a handwritten "V 20A" written on it. I replaced that chip with the "V 20B HA" chip shown in the photo earlier.

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                  #23
                  Attached to this post is an unreleased 3.0.0.4 of the plugin that is hard set to use the alternate protocol bypassing CTS/RTS. I have this somewhat working with my P9600 firmware 40c but I won't use the term "successfully" Without the hardware handshaking it's all up to timing which can be problematic for various reasons.

                  Extract the exe file in the attached zip into your HomeSeer 3 directory. For example: C:\Program Files (x86)\HomeSeer HS3

                  Below is an example from my debug log. I'm looking to see if you can get past the initial panel version check commands which in the log below are the lines that look like:

                  Code:
                  6/3/2014 4:33:16 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ OUTGOING ~ SENDING: 1A,6,0,0,0,0,*,*,*,*,*,*
                  6/3/2014 4:33:16 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INCOMING ~ RECEIVED: 40,0,0,0,0,0
                  6/3/2014 4:33:16 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ OUTGOING ~ SENDING: 1C,0,0,0,0,0
                  6/3/2014 4:33:17 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INCOMING ~ RECEIVED: 40,0,0,0,0,13
                  6/3/2014 4:33:17 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ Napco Gemini Panel = GEM-P9600
                  Code:
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ Starting Up... Napco Gemini plug-in version = 3.0.0.4
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ hs.Version           = 3.0.0.96
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ hs.InterfaceVersion  = 4
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ hs.PluginLicenseMode = Registered.  Thank you!
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ INI values from hspi_napco_gemini.ini
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ INI Version = 3.0.0.4
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ COMPort=COM4
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ MaxZones=32
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ CmdTimeout=5
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ MaxRetry=4
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ UseIcons=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ Log Incoming Status=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ Log Outgoing Commands=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ Log Debug Info=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ WebArmButton=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ WebDisarmButton=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ WebBypassButton=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ WebRelayButtons=True
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ KeypadRefresh=20
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ LogZonesStr=*
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ LogZones   =
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ BypassZonesStr=
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ BypassZones   =
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ logFileDebug=C:\Program Files (x86)\HomeSeer HS3/Logs/NapcoDebug.log
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ logLvl=79 [Always] [Err] [Info] [Incoming] [Outgoing] [Debug] 
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  6/3/2014 4:32:46 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ DataReceivedHandler - Unknown status message command = 3F
                  6/3/2014 4:32:51 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                  6/3/2014 4:32:51 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ EndSession: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                  6/3/2014 4:32:55 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ ProcessPanelUpdate - STATUS_UPDATE - IGNORED (waiting on InitIO) [7F, 0A, 01]
                  6/3/2014 4:32:55 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ ProcessPanelUpdate - STATUS_KEYPAD_AREA1 - IGNORED (waiting on InitIO) [% SYSTEM READY    06/03/14 04:32PM]
                  6/3/2014 4:33:01 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ Unable to establish session to panel for version check
                  6/3/2014 4:33:01 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ PanelDisconnect: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                  6/3/2014 4:33:16 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ OUTGOING ~ SENDING: 1A,6,0,0,0,0,*,*,*,*,*,*
                  6/3/2014 4:33:16 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INCOMING ~ RECEIVED: 40,0,0,0,0,0
                  6/3/2014 4:33:16 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ OUTGOING ~ SENDING: 1C,0,0,0,0,0
                  6/3/2014 4:33:17 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INCOMING ~ RECEIVED: 40,0,0,0,0,13
                  6/3/2014 4:33:17 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ Napco Gemini Panel = GEM-P9600
                  6/3/2014 4:33:17 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ DEBUG ~ EndSession: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ START - full Panel to HS status update...
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ Found Napco Panel and matching HomeSeer device (root parent)
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ Retrieving zone information from panel...
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ OUTGOING ~ SENDING: 1A,6,0,0,0,0,*,*,*,*,*,*
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INCOMING ~ RECEIVED: 40,0,0,0,0,0
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ OUTGOING ~ SENDING: 5,20,0,0,0,0
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INCOMING ~ RECEIVED: 5,20,0,0,0,13~01-HVAC DOOR                    
                  6/3/2014 4:33:27 PM ~ Napco Gemini ~ INFO ~ Found zone number [1] with description [HVAC DOOR]
                  Last edited by nfrobertson; June 6, 2014, 07:32 AM.
                  HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
                  Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
                  Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
                  Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
                  http://www.kazteel.com/

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                    #24
                    Jun-04 9:37:07 PM Napco Gemini Error Unable to establish a good connection to the Napco Panel!
                    Jun-04 9:37:05 PM Error Initializing plug-in(2): Napco Gemini Instance::Object reference not set to an instance of an object.0STACK: at System.Runtime.Remoting.Messaging.LogicalCallContext.Propaga teIncomingHeadersToCallContext(IMessage msg) at System.Runtime.Remoting.Proxies.RealProxy.PrivateInvoke(Mess ageData& msgData, Int32 type) at HomeSeerAPI.IPlugInAPI.InitIO(String port) at Scheduler.clsHSPI.CheckInterfaces()
                    Jun-04 9:36:42 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                    Jun-04 9:36:11 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                    Jun-04 9:36:02 PM Plug-In Finished initializing plug-in Napco Gemini
                    Jun-04 9:35:41 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                    Jun-04 9:35:10 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Warning Attempt by plugin to register a duplicate link of Napco_Gemini_Help. Plugin: Napco Gemini Instance:
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Warning Attempt by plugin to register a duplicate link of Napco_Gemini_Status. Plugin: Napco Gemini Instance:
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Warning Attempt by plugin to register a duplicate link of Napco_Gemini_Config. Plugin: Napco Gemini Instance:
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Napco Gemini hs.PluginLicenseMode = Registered. Thank you!
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Napco Gemini hs.InterfaceVersion = 4
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Napco Gemini hs.Version = 3.0.0.96
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Napco Gemini Starting Up... Napco Gemini plug-in version = 3.0.0.4
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Jun-04 9:35:05 PM Info Plugin Napco Gemini has connected. IP:127.0.0.1:4617

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                      #25
                      I'm not sure why you received those "Warning Attempt by plugin to register a duplicate link" Did you fully stop HS3, then extract this exe and restart? The page registration logic didn't change.

                      Do you have debug logging turned on. If not, please edit your hspi_napco_gemini.ini and set logLvl=79 and stop/start HS3 again.

                      I found this link while continuing to search for clues on the P3200 issue, see post 3 from Jeff. It would seem to indicate that board version 21 is considered the "new" batch that no longer supports GEM-AUTOMATION. If true that really stinks.
                      HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
                      Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
                      Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
                      Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
                      http://www.kazteel.com/

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                        #26
                        I originally rebooted Homeseer, but the Napco messages were intermixed and the filter was not good for getting isolating all the Napco messages. I took that excerpt after I disabled and re-enabled the plugin. This time, I disabled the plugin, restarted and then enabled the plugin to get all the messages together.

                        Jun-05 6:40:09 PM Napco Gemini Error Unable to establish a good connection to the Napco Panel!
                        Jun-05 6:40:03 PM Error Initializing plug-in(2): Napco Gemini Instance::Object reference not set to an instance of an object.0STACK: at System.Runtime.Remoting.Messaging.LogicalCallContext.Propaga teIncomingHeadersToCallContext(IMessage msg) at System.Runtime.Remoting.Proxies.RealProxy.PrivateInvoke(Mess ageData& msgData, Int32 type) at HomeSeerAPI.IPlugInAPI.InitIO(String port) at Scheduler.clsHSPI.CheckInterfaces()
                        Jun-05 6:39:53 PM Napco Gemini PanelDisconnect: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:39:53 PM Napco Gemini Unable to establish session to panel for version check
                        Jun-05 6:39:43 PM Napco Gemini EndSession: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:39:43 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                        Jun-05 6:39:23 PM Napco Gemini PanelDisconnect: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:39:23 PM Napco Gemini Unable to establish session to panel for version check
                        Jun-05 6:39:13 PM Napco Gemini EndSession: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:39:13 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                        Jun-05 6:39:01 PM Plug-In Finished initializing plug-in Napco Gemini
                        Jun-05 6:38:53 PM Napco Gemini PanelDisconnect: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:38:53 PM Napco Gemini Unable to establish session to panel for version check
                        Jun-05 6:38:43 PM Napco Gemini EndSession: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:38:43 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                        Jun-05 6:38:37 PM Z-Wave Warning ZStick : Secure message received from node 15 but part of the security is invalid or expired - cannot decrypt the data. (Not Processed)
                        Jun-05 6:38:21 PM Napco Gemini PanelDisconnect: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:38:21 PM Napco Gemini Unable to establish session to panel for version check
                        Jun-05 6:38:11 PM Napco Gemini EndSession: AltProtocol - wait for panel to go back to normal mode
                        Jun-05 6:38:11 PM Napco Gemini TIMEOUT waiting for panel to be ready for our command
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini logLvl=79 [Always] [Err] [Info] [Incoming] [Outgoing] [Debug]
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini logFileDebug=C:\Program Files\HomeSeer HS3/Logs/NapcoDebug.log
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini BypassZones =
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini BypassZonesStr=
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini LogZones =
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini LogZonesStr=*
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini KeypadRefresh=20
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini WebRelayButtons=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini WebBypassButton=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini WebDisarmButton=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini WebArmButton=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini Log Debug Info=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini Log Outgoing Commands=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini Log Incoming Status=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini UseIcons=True
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini MaxRetry=4
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini CmdTimeout=5
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini MaxZones=32
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini COMPort=COM12
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini INI Version = 3.0.0.3
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini INI values from hspi_napco_gemini.ini
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini hs.PluginLicenseMode = Registered. Thank you!
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini hs.InterfaceVersion = 4
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini hs.Version = 3.0.0.96
                        Jun-05 6:38:04 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Jun-05 6:38:03 PM Napco Gemini Starting Up... Napco Gemini plug-in version = 3.0.0.4
                        Jun-05 6:38:03 PM Napco Gemini ---------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Jun-05 6:38:03 PM Info Plugin Napco Gemini has connected. IP:127.0.0.1:3976
                        Jun-05 6:37:34 PM Info System registered with MyHomeSeer service successfully.
                        Jun-05 6:37:34 PM Startup Start up complete.

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                          #27
                          Unfortunately those lines that say "Unable to establish session to panel for version check" indicate that your P3200 isn't responding to commands from the serial port. We've now tried the normal CTS/RTS and alternate hail methods, neither of which has got us past the version check which is the very first step. At this point I can only assume what has been written online about "new" P3200 not supporting the GEM-AUTOMATION is correct. Short of upgrading to a P9600 or trying to find an older v11 P3200 to get the HA support, I'm not sure what you can do to get this talking with HS3. I wish there was a better answer I'm sorry.
                          HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
                          Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
                          Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
                          Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
                          http://www.kazteel.com/

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                            #28
                            That's disappointing, but I appreciate your efforts to resolve it.

                            I'm mulling my options and considering the investment that I have with NAPCO components (15 zones and a panel), I'm leaning on getting the 9600 board.

                            Are all versions of the 9600 board compatible?

                            Will my HA v20B EEPROM be compatible with the 9600 board or do I need to get a newer one? I see that you've got a HA v40 chip.

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                              #29
                              To the best of my knowledge all the 9600 boards will be compatible. Earlier in this thread I put a link to a Napco Dealer PDF that shows the increasing functionality with each larger panel. The HA support is clearly shown starting at the 9600 level on that PDF. Here's a link to Napco showing that the 9600 board supports HA.

                              I've had this v40c since early 2006. I'm don't know what all they fixed from 20b to 40c but I would recommend getting the latest. I also recommend ordering the GEM-RS232 kit as that gives you isolation on the serial line to the panel. That's what I use. Here's that kit at SpyTown.com. I can't tell from their site if they also include the GEM-AUTOMATION eeprom along with the RS232 kit or not. According to the Napco PDF on GEM-RS232 it should include the eeprom.
                              HS 3.0.0.435 (PRO)
                              Hardware: Napco GEM-P9600 | VenstarT1800 w/Insteon 2441V adapter | Insteon PLM
                              Plugins HS3: Napco Gemini (mine) | Insteon Thermostat (mine) | Insteon Plug-in (mnsandler) | HSTouch Server (HST)
                              Platform: Windows 10 Pro 64bit, core2 duo 2.0Ghz, 4GB memory
                              http://www.kazteel.com/

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                                #30
                                Does NAPCO 3200 firmware "V11E" do Home Automation?

                                I am trying to get a very old NAPCO 3200 to do Home Automation. "V10A" is in my very old NAPCO 3200 now and does not do Home Automation. I bought the GEM-AUTOMATION kit and it came with the RS-232 converter & "V40C". "V40C" does not work with this very old panel. There is a "V11D HA" were the "HA" stand for "Home Automation" for the very old NAPCO 3200 boards but I cannot find this chip available anywhere. I do find a "V11E" readily available as NAPCO part# "NAP-SE32001" but do not know if it will do Home Automation. Does anybody here know if "V11E" will work to do Home Automation in a very old NAPCO 3200 panel?

                                I am willing to trade the "V40C" chip for "V11D HA" or "V11E" (if "V11E" will do Home Automation).

                                Also note that I have had trouble downloading with Quickloader because of the USB to RS-232 converters I have. I resurected an old XP desktop and Quickloader works with no problem with its "REAL" RS-232 port.

                                REH

                                Originally posted by rubbernecker View Post
                                My Napco Panel was purchased in 2003 and the PC Board is version 21.

                                The user guide for the v20 and above is here.

                                On Page two, it states:
                                NOTE: Typically, any version GEM-P3200 control panel could be upgraded to the latest firmware by replacing the
                                EPROM with a newer version. This is no longer the case. The Firmware Version 20 EPROM must only be used in a
                                Version 18 (or greater) PCBoard. Do NOT attempt to upgrade a GEM-P3200 control panel which currently is running
                                Firmware Version 11C (or prior) to version 20 (or greater) by replacing the EPROM.
                                The PCBoard version ( triangle number) is printed on a triangular shaped sticker affixed to the GEM-P3200 circuit board.


                                The triangle sticker on my board has a "21" printed on it.

                                Also, a small chip under the Automation chip says "GEM-P3200 090309"

                                I found the original chip that the board came with and it has a handwritten "V 20A" written on it. I replaced that chip with the "V 20B HA" chip shown in the photo earlier.

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