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  • #16
    a few questions,
    1. I see on the Decreased Polling device that 5 min control use is set to "off" and 6 min is set to "on" whilst the remaining lines have "Not Specified"
    2. Why on the Decreased Polling device for 4 Hours there is a value in the Row and Column fields "1,3"?
    3. On the Decreased Polling device should there be a status graphic (like Increased Polling device) that should be defined with a range from 5-1440?
    Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
    Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
    HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

    Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by MNB View Post
      a few questions,
      1. I see on the Decreased Polling device that 5 min control use is set to "off" and 6 min is set to "on" whilst the remaining lines have "Not Specified"
      2. Why on the Decreased Polling device for 4 Hours there is a value in the Row and Column fields "1,3"?
      3. On the Decreased Polling device should there be a status graphic (like Increased Polling device) that should be defined with a range from 5-1440?
      1. I don't bother with the "Control Use" values for devices that are not voice controlled. If voice command was enabled I would change those. I probably started with a basic On Off virtual device and modified the values. The Control Use are just the defaults.
      2. The row and column settings determine how the buttons are placed on the Device Manager or the Pop-up dialog. Read Post #5 in the Virtual Device creation thread where I explain what those settings are for. With so many individual values on the decreased virtual device, they no longer matter.
      3. That is also covered in the virtual device thread. You assign a graphic to a value or range of values. If you want the same graphic assigned to all values from 5-1440, you would set a RANGE.
      Here is one where the buttons are all on row 1 each in their own column.

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      On the one where there a lot of buttons, the placement is no longer needing to be controlled.

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      If you want a special arrangement, you can choose rows and columns

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      The graphics:

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      Randy Prade
      Aurora, CO
      Prades.net

      PHLocation - Pushover - EasyTrigger - UltraECM3 - Ultra1Wire3 - Arduino

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      • #18
        Randy, many thanxs for taking the time.. I did not realize that the Increase/Decrease virtual devices values were manually selected where my confusion was that somehow the virtual device would increment values via the EasyTrigger command but instead it updates the iCloud Polling value to reflect the Manually selected value virtual device. I have to say I like the ability to have a single place to change the value, but I fear that like you once it set there's no reason to come to change it. Well I learnt more re virtual device setup and usage(s). Mike
        Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
        Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
        HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

        Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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        • #19
          The way I approach my system is (to the greatest extent possible) allow tailoring settings without editing Events. That is why the Virtual Devices are in a subfunction of controls. I have Location Controls, Power Controls, Thermostat Controls, etc.
          Randy Prade
          Aurora, CO
          Prades.net

          PHLocation - Pushover - EasyTrigger - UltraECM3 - Ultra1Wire3 - Arduino

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          • #20
            Randy, question, as you can tell, I'm fine tuning my events using your examples I noticed that one of my events (as attached) is triggering constantly (excerpt of HSLog) are you using the "Cannot Re-Run For:" option Mike
            Jan-18 1:08:52 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:51 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:50 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:49 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:48 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:47 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:46 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:45 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:44 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:43 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:42 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:41 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:40 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:39 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:38 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:37 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Jan-18 1:08:36 PM Event Event Trigger "Geo Fence Mike - HOME > 1hr, DECREASE polling rate to 1 hr"
            Attached Files
            Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
            Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
            HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

            Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MNB View Post
              Randy, question, as you can tell, I'm fine tuning my events using your examples I noticed that one of my events (as attached) is triggering constantly (excerpt of HSLog) are you using the "Cannot Re-Run For:" option Mike
              Look at your Event:

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              In my Event I use Exactly as a trigger so it will only trigger once. Also I use a condition checking that the polling interval is less than the virtual device. The condition would stop yours from triggering more than once, or changing the trigger to Exactly will allow it to trigger once.

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              Randy Prade
              Aurora, CO
              Prades.net

              PHLocation - Pushover - EasyTrigger - UltraECM3 - Ultra1Wire3 - Arduino

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              • #22
                Thanxs Randy, I wasn't seeing " the trees from the forest" again! The first line is where I went a stray with "at least" leaving the barn door wide open for repeat triggering vs using exactly.
                Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
                Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
                HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rprade View Post
                  I use a 100 meter ring and a 1700 meter outer ring and both of them are predictable and reliable.

                  Randy question.. you indicate that you have a 100 meter ring and a 1700 meter outer ring, I take it that "Location Randy GF Home" is your 100 meter ring and not sure what the Outer ring is named or what its used for since it's not in any of your above events. Is there any reason why you wouldn't use your iCloud device e.g. "iCloud Device SL Dist to Home" as a home GF? Mike
                  Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
                  Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
                  HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                  Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MNB View Post
                    Randy question.. you indicate that you have a 100 meter ring and a 1700 meter outer ring, I take it that "Location Randy GF Home" is your 100 meter ring and not sure what the Outer ring is named or what its used for since it's not in any of your above events. Is there any reason why you wouldn't use your iCloud device e.g. "iCloud Device SL Dist to Home" as a home GF? Mike
                    I didn't post every Event or fence I use, I like the speed of GeoFency as opposed to iCloud updates. I use iCloud fences for redundancy. The outer ring is also for redundancy in certain critical Events.

                    On the topic of iCloud, the SL distance to home is essentially the same as Location Enter and Location Exit in PHL Triggers or User at Location and User Not at Location Conditions. Using the PHL Triggers and Conditions are based upon the Known location radiuses (radii?) and are quite effective. You can certainly use the SL distance if you desire. I do look at SL distance over time as a predictor as to approaching or leaving home and Paul has added a new "Direction" child device to aid in prediction. It is up to you as to how you want your system to operate, and how much you want to count on guessing. According to a Danish proverb "It’s Difficult to Make Predictions, Especially About the Future".
                    Randy Prade
                    Aurora, CO
                    Prades.net

                    PHLocation - Pushover - EasyTrigger - UltraECM3 - Ultra1Wire3 - Arduino

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                    • #25
                      Again thanxs Randy, I know I'm asking a lot of questions but I find your explanation very helpful in understanding PHL, GeoFency and Mapping and how to develop functional events. I hope that some of my questions are helpful for those out there trying to adopt the PI for their unique situations and uses through the examples provided. I like your proverb it suits the situation well, Mike
                      Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
                      Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
                      HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                      Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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                      • #26
                        Randy question in regards to Maps.. now that PHL2 is placing the various Maps into the prescribed directories, how are you using them and more importantly are you using any scripts or apps to make them SHMBO proof? I've noticed that the HS3 beta app seemed to be quite of late (not sure why) so are you using Imperihome or something else? Mike
                        Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
                        Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
                        HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                        Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by MNB View Post
                          Randy question in regards to Maps.. now that PHL2 is placing the various Maps into the prescribed directories, how are you using them and more importantly are you using any scripts or apps to make them SHMBO proof? I've noticed that the HS3 beta app seemed to be quite of late (not sure why) so are you using Imperihome or something else? Mike
                          I provide maps to family on private websites. My family can access the private pages on my primary domain. I do not publish them on my website.

                          Randy Prade
                          Aurora, CO
                          Prades.net

                          PHLocation - Pushover - EasyTrigger - UltraECM3 - Ultra1Wire3 - Arduino

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                          • #28
                            Randy, whilst learning the pro's/con's of each PHL2 device I'm coming to the realization that to get rapid position status that one has to be aware of which devices have time built within them such as PHL Direction (5 minutes) and that all one really needs is; Current Location (known locations), Lat/Log for Maps, Geo fences and iBeacons the rest of the devices are nice to have but aren't necessary unless you have a unique use for them whilst looking at your previous posted examples you use the KISS principle and seem to also use the above devices as your core with a few extras e.g. garage door states ect..
                            Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
                            Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
                            HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                            Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MNB View Post
                              Randy, whilst learning the pro's/con's of each PHL2 device I'm coming to the realization that to get rapid position status that one has to be aware of which devices have time built within them such as PHL Direction (5 minutes) and that all one really needs is; Current Location (known locations), Lat/Log for Maps, Geo fences and iBeacons the rest of the devices are nice to have but aren't necessary unless you have a unique use for them whilst looking at your previous posted examples you use the KISS principle and seem to also use the above devices as your core with a few extras e.g. garage door states ect..
                              If you want to have the garage door open upon arrival, the iBeacon is necessary to detect that you are in/on a particular vehicle. If you don't want that feature, you don't need iBeacons.

                              The only use I have for direction of travel is for much longer time periods. For example, if we are both in a car (iBeacon) and 50 miles from home and the direction of travel is toward home for 20 miles, the house can anticipate we are heading home and put lighting and energy to normal,fire up heating, hot water, etc. Conversely if we are both leaving home with a distance greater than 50 miles, the system can anticipate that we are going to be away for a while and set the heating back, set lighting to occupancy simulation, reduce energy and stop the water heater. Even at that, the mileage is more important than direction of travel, but the direction of travel combined with mileage is a little more telling.

                              For almost everything else related to automation, we use fences, because they are fast.

                              We also create "where in the world are mom and dad" maps for our daughter extended family with PHL for fun and anyone in the family can email a request for location (using a special code in the subject) which will generate a response with an attached map.
                              Randy Prade
                              Aurora, CO
                              Prades.net

                              PHLocation - Pushover - EasyTrigger - UltraECM3 - Ultra1Wire3 - Arduino

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rvtravlr View Post
                                As Randy has so well documented, we use PHL2 for similar events. We also use PHL2 along with the Blue Iris PI to Disable/Enable cameras based on where we are. In the future, when provided by the PI author, we’ll use Hide/Unhide so we can continue to record - it is a feature request being added.


                                This event changes our camera displays. We don’t want to look at ourselves when at home.

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                                Michael, I've had a chance to start looking at other solutions and I was interested in your Blue Iris routine can you share a snapshot of what your "Cameras - BI - Work and Home" event entails to turn BI camera's On/Off? thanxs Mike
                                Computer: CUK Intel NUC7i7BNH
                                Op System: Windows 10 Pro - Work Station
                                HS Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                                Plug-Ins: BLBackup, BLGData, BLRoombaWifi, Device History, EasyTrigger, ImperiHome, Nest, PHLocation, Pushover 3P, Restart, Sonos, UltraCID3, UltraWeatherWU3, Z-Wave, and Jon00 scripts.

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