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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wim2008 View Post
    Hello Steve,
    I have non battery information about the Merten switchen. Also not in Homeseer or in manuals. And you are right. I use the control about those switches till nothing happens anymore.
    2 weeks ago I saw your plugin for the first time. I got excited about the battery monitoring. I hoped that after 15 years I could finally monitor the Merten switches. But my enthusiasm was unfounded. Sorry for that.
    But I still like your plugin for the other devices and I still love the Merten switches.
    Wim
    Yes it is unfortunately a limitation of the devices that they don't provide any battery information and their only communication is to broadcast the button presses. On the other hand they are still doing their job after 15 years which is fairly impressive!

    Steve

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  • wim2008
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    Hello Steve,
    I have non battery information about the Merten switchen. Also not in Homeseer or in manuals. And you are right. I use the control about those switches till nothing happens anymore.
    2 weeks ago I saw your plugin for the first time. I got excited about the battery monitoring. I hoped that after 15 years I could finally monitor the Merten switches. But my enthusiasm was unfounded. Sorry for that.
    But I still like your plugin for the other devices and I still love the Merten switches.
    Wim

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wim2008 View Post
    In the monitoring report I see several zwave devices from Fibaro, Aeon, etc and some general devices.
    In HS4 I use several battery switches of Merten. One of them is the Merten 506119. See www.opensmarthouse.org/zwavedatabase/470. See picture node 44a.
    In the monitoring report I see nothing about the Merten switches. I load a picture of a part the monitoring from the plugin.​

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    Hi Wim,

    I'm not familiar with the Merten devices but from what I can see from the manual, and the details on the Z-Wave Alliance site, they don't support the Battery or Wake Up command classes. What Child/Features do you get in Homeseer for these devices? I presume there is no battery child/feature.

    If my assumptions are correct you aren't going to be able to monitor these with SDJ-Health in any meaningful way. If the device can't transmit any battery information or regular heartbeat of any sorts, or respond to polling, then the best you can do is monitor activity but with a push button switch there isn't much point in doing that. When it is dead you will find out anyway when you push the button and nothing happens🙁

    Steve

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  • wim2008
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    In the monitoring report I see several zwave devices from Fibaro, Aeon, etc and some general devices.
    In HS4 I use several battery switches of Merten. One of them is the Merten 506119. See www.opensmarthouse.org/zwavedatabase/470. See picture node 44a.
    In the monitoring report I see nothing about the Merten switches. I load a picture of a part the monitoring from the plugin.​

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wim2008 View Post
    Till now the general devices give there info about batteries in your plugin as extra devices in HS4. But I can't find an overview of zwave devices that have a battery. I have some single or double switches.
    Is it possible that the transfer from HS3 to HS4 at the beginning of December 2022, gives problems with the zwave devices that have batteries? I see the devices and they do their job in HS4, but they don't respond when I try to refresh them with the z-wave plugin.?
    Wim
    I'm not sure I follow what you are saying. To monitor the health of battery devices you use the Battery Devices section of the plug-in. The methods of monitoring are described in section 4.2.1 of the guide. If you have non-listening z-wave devices then they will be detected automatically by the plug-in and monitoring child/features created. For other types of battery devices some user configuration is required and the method used depends on the particular type of device.

    The General Devices section of the plug-in is more complex, not really intended for battery devices, and for advanced users as stated in the guide and the plug-in.

    If you list out the details of the specific battery devices you have I can try and help with the plug-in configuration.

    Steve

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  • wim2008
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    Till now the general devices give there info about batteries in your plugin as extra devices in HS4. But I can't find an overview of zwave devices that have a battery. I have some single or double switches.
    Is it possible that the transfer from HS3 to HS4 at the beginning of December 2022, gives problems with the zwave devices that have batteries? I see the devices and they do their job in HS4, but they don't respond when I try to refresh them with the z-wave plugin.?
    Wim

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wim2008 View Post


    Wim
    The subtlety of your response eludes me but I'll assume you mean 'yes it is working for you' 😀

    Steve

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  • wim2008
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    Wim

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wim2008 View Post
    Thanks for your message, SteveMSJ. I have to wait, I understand. But is it possible to roll back the z-wave plug to 3.0.11.0?
    There shouldn't be a need to roll back. With the v4 Z-Wave plug-in you just need to set the option by editing the ini file rather than directly from the web interface. Once set it stays.

    Are you saying it doesn't work for you? If so can you be specific about what isn't working.

    Steve

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  • wim2008
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    Thanks for your message, SteveMSJ. But is it possible to roll back the z-wave plug to 3.0.11.0?

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by IanIreland View Post

    Interesting. My HS4 was a clean install and my LogZWPollErrors is set to True
    Hi Ian,

    That's interesting and good to hear.

    ​​​​When I tested with the V4 plug-in, I think I deleted the Z-Wave.ini file and let it create a new one but I'm not sure now. In the new ini file the setting was false so I had to edit it.

    Steve

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wim2008 View Post
    Today I have installed your plugin version 3.1.1.2 on my windows 10 machine. I use HS4 version 4.2.16.0 and the zwave p;lugin version 4.0.3.0. I read your manual and some of the last discussions of your plugin in the forum. I have changed the zwave.ini file as you told on 2022 nov 24.
    But I can.t find in my homeseer ‘Plugins>Z-Wave>Controller Management>Z-Wave Networks and Options’. See attached picture of the pulldown menu.
    I like to set the 'Log Poll and Wake-up Messages' in the Z-wave options as the manual said.
    In the pull down menu 'Manage interfaces', there is nothing to be found in it. See next picture. Click image for larger version Name:	zwave plugin ull down.jpg Views:	0 Size:	41.3 KB ID:	1587465Click image for larger version Name:	zwave manage interfaces.jpg Views:	0 Size:	77.4 KB ID:	1587466
    Wim
    Hi Wim
    If you have made the changes to your Z-Wave.ini file, as noted further up this thread, then that is the equivalent to setting it in the Z-Wave Options, which is missing from the Z-Wave v4 plug-in.

    It's unfortunate that it has to be set by editing the ini file but there are a number of things like this missing from the version 4 Z-Wave plug-in. Personally I have been running HS4 for a long time but will stick with the 3.0.11.0 version of the Z-Wave plug-in until some of the missing features are restored. I did submit a ticket about this specific omission but it was closed by HS saying that polling has been removed by the Engineers! WTF! It's not even directly about polling it is logging of wake-up messages.
    rjh

    Steve

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  • IanIreland
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    Originally posted by SteveMSJ View Post

    As I say, my HS4 production system is running Z-Wave 3.0.11.0 and I'm not going to update that until the 4.x version is properly sorted.

    However, I have installed Z-Wave 4.1.0.2 on my development system to do some testing. I'll refrain from general comments on the new Z-Wave GUI 🤐.

    There doesn't appear to be anyway to set the option, it is one of the things that appears to have been missed out of the new interface. I will raise a query with HS about that.
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    By comparing the Z-Wave.ini file of my production system and the development system I have identified the parameter that controls this setting. It's slightly confusingly named as 'LogZWPollErrors' as it doesn't just affect errors. This is set to True when the option is selected in the Z-Wave version 3.* plug-in.

    I'm pretty sure that if you have the option set before upgrading the Z-Wave plug-in it stays set, which is why I haven't had reports of wake-up monitoring breaking. However, by default when you install the plug-in or a new interface it is set to False.

    As a work around with the Z-Wave 4.x plug-in you can edit your Z-Wave.ini file directly. It's probably best to make a copy of the Z-Wave.ini file before you edit it in case you mess things up.
    • Disable the Z-Wave plug-in.
    • Open the 'Z-Wave.ini' file located in the 'config' folder of you HS4 installation.
    • Look for all 'LogZWPollErrors=False' and change these to True
    • Save the 'Z-Wave.ini' file.
    • Re-enable the Z-Wave plug-in.
    NOTE that if you have more than one controller there will be a setting for each one in the ini file. There may also be ones for controllers that you have had in the past or ones that have been renamed. To be on the safe side change all entries that you find.

    I included a battery device to my production network and the wake-up messages show when I manually wake it up. I will leave it running to check that it continues to log the messages when it wakes up automatically on its schedule. The wake-up period for this device is 12 hours by default and I have been unsucessful at changing that with the 4.x Z-Wave plug-in 😬 so will have to wait a while for the next wake-up.

    Steve
    Interesting. My HS4 was a clean install and my LogZWPollErrors is set to True

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  • wim2008
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    Today I have installed your plugin version 3.1.1.2 on my windows 10 machine. I use HS4 version 4.2.16.0 and the zwave p;lugin version 4.0.3.0. I read your manual and some of the last discussions of your plugin in the forum. I have changed the zwave.ini file as you told on 2022 nov 24.
    But I can.t find in my homeseer ‘Plugins>Z-Wave>Controller Management>Z-Wave Networks and Options’. See attached picture of the pulldown menu.
    I like to set the 'Log Poll and Wake-up Messages' in the Z-wave options as the manual said.
    In the pull down menu 'Manage interfaces', there is nothing to be found in it. See next picture. Click image for larger version  Name:	zwave plugin ull down.jpg Views:	0 Size:	41.3 KB ID:	1587465Click image for larger version  Name:	zwave manage interfaces.jpg Views:	0 Size:	77.4 KB ID:	1587466
    Wim

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  • SteveMSJ
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    Originally posted by wallee View Post
    Hi Steve,

    thank you for explanation. I checked and the setting is there. The wake-up messages are in the log so this is ok now. Good that I can change parameters in the Ini when it’s not in the gui.


    Walter
    Glad it's worked for you.
    HomeSeer should never have missed it out of the new plug-in version, and it's not the only thing missing. However, they do seem to be adding things back in as users point them out👍

    Steve

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