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    Ok so who is using vmware?
    I Installed vmware 6 and windows xp.

    I am simply trying to get the xaphub and xapmcs1wire installed first...

    however the VM OS sees the com port as my server did in device manager... but when you install the 1 wire drivers.. and do an autodetect it does not find the com port???

    I shut down 1wire on my server (that is running the vmware sessions)
    then I shutdown xaphub

    tried running 1wire in vm and all was installing good just cant find my temp stuff on the com port????

    any ideas????

    ~Jeff
    HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

    HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

    Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

    Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

    #2
    Jeff,

    I don't use vmware and I don't really know too much about virtual machines. I am curious however; why are you trying to do this with xap? What is the benefit? I find xap very complicated and somewhat tempermental; not sure I would want to add a virtual machine to the mix!

    Steve Q
    HomeSeer Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.368, Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 - Home, Number of Devices: 373, Number of Events: 666, Enabled Plug-Ins
    2.0.83.0: BLRF, 2.0.10.0: BLUSBUIRT, 3.0.0.75: HSTouch Server, 3.0.0.58: mcsXap, 3.0.0.11: NetCAM, 3.0.0.36: X10, 3.0.1.25: Z-Wave,Alexa,HomeKit

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      #3
      Originally posted by Steve Q View Post
      Jeff,

      I don't use vmware and I don't really know too much about virtual machines. I am curious however; why are you trying to do this with xap? What is the benefit? I find xap very complicated and somewhat tempermental; not sure I would want to add a virtual machine to the mix!

      Steve Q
      vmware is a beautiful thing...

      basically vmware will allow you to run more machines on 1...

      example...
      currently I have:

      physical hardware in sig
      HP PRolaint ml570g2

      software
      Server 2003
      sql 2000 msde
      iis
      homeseer
      xap 1 wire

      all was good but i just goofed up my sql install... cant get it right unless I rebuild it all...

      so I installed vmware workstation (did this over server as server only allows 1 snapshot)

      installed
      Server 2003
      sql 2000 msde
      Custom application that uses sql

      that machine is up and running nicely....

      I then
      installed
      windows xp sp2
      sql 2000 msde

      trying to install the xap stuff for 1 wire on the xp... if I Can get that part working I then am going to proceed with the install of homeseer and all my plugins......

      at work we use vmware and have an average of 6 machines running in VM on 1 computer.. however all 7 to the network are virtually real computers!!!!!

      nice thing is you can do a snapshot and restore later if problems.... really nice...

      well gotta go right now as going to bros for dinner...
      HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

      HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

      Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

      Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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        #4
        well I got it working.. kinda...

        if any of you want to try it out.. it is pretty cool...

        Microsoft Virtual PC is now free.. and that one worked..where I couldnt get vmware to work...

        http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

        It was easy... .well kinda... once again I forgot how bad the 1 wire was to get working originally..


        1. Installed Microsoft Java
        2. created folder structure C:\Program Files\Homeseer 2 (hs not installed yet)
        3. Created a xaphub and xapmcs1wire folder
        4. copied xaphub.exe into folder and ran - .ocx error!!! CRAP
        5. found mswinsck.ocx on my current hs machine.. copied it over and registered
        6. Ran xaphub - this time worked
        6. installed install_1_wire_drivers_v400 from maxim-ic site
        7. ran xapmcs1wire.exe and viola... up and running baby!!!!!

        so all that lil bit to get my temps working on the vm session..

        just wished it could be in vmware as you can have awww so many snapshots...

        ms virtual pc does a screenshot now... and you can only do 1..... oh well....

        next is to install homeseer and all plugins (disable every one of them for now..)
        gonna do that tomorrow... Rainbow Six Vegas time!!!!
        HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

        HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

        Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

        Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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          #5
          Jeff,

          Thanks for the explanation. This sounds really cool.

          But why? Why do you want to put everything on one computer. I have gone in the exact opposite direction. I did this because my Homeseer computer uses every physical device connection I can get into it. It is maxed out in terms of RS232 ports, USB, etc. It runs 24/7 doing nothing but Homeseer stuff.

          My main computer is what I use for music editing, video editing, recording TV, etc. I can't imagine doing all this plus Homeseer on the same box!! Why did you choose to put everything on one machine?

          Steve Q
          HomeSeer Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.368, Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 - Home, Number of Devices: 373, Number of Events: 666, Enabled Plug-Ins
          2.0.83.0: BLRF, 2.0.10.0: BLUSBUIRT, 3.0.0.75: HSTouch Server, 3.0.0.58: mcsXap, 3.0.0.11: NetCAM, 3.0.0.36: X10, 3.0.1.25: Z-Wave,Alexa,HomeKit

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            #6
            no I dont use this box for everything...


            Kitchen
            HP Prosario
            Pentium D P4 2.93
            1gb ram
            40gb drive
            Purpose - wife uses in kitchen for general internet and college (only machine with office installed)

            Garage - moved computer to basement but going back to garage
            Clone
            P4 3.0HT
            2gb ram
            160gb sata hd
            dvd burner
            Hauppauge PVR-500 dual tuner
            Purpose - Gaming, web browsing, tv watching (when in garage) and general purpose stuff

            Utility Room
            HP Proliant ML570G2
            4 x P4 Xeon 2.5ghz MP cpu (hyperthreaded so dev manager shows 8 cpus)
            4gb ram (expandable to 32gb)
            3x73gb ultra 320 drives in raid 5 on hp array 642 controller w/128mb cache
            3x146gb ultra 320 drives in raid 5 on hp array 642 controller w/128mb cache
            2 serial
            2 usb ports
            pci and pci-e slots to add more cards
            Purpose - Domain controller | DNS, DHCP for PXE booting | IIS | music, videos, document storage | PXE server (really cool) | sql server | Homeseer home automation...

            with a quad zeon 2.5 and 4gb ram and plenty of drive space in raid 5 the server runs at very low cpu utilization.....so prime candidate for multiple virtual machines...


            here is an example... currenlty my server has server 2003 and everything installed... if I install something that burps the machine... im down and dead....

            if I have my prime apps in VMWare sessions either using VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC 2007, I update just that session... and can do a screenshot first... so lets say I install HS on my XP vm... install the new beta of HS.... and dont like it I just simply revert back to my previous screenshot.....

            vmware uses screenshots...
            virtual pc uses a method similar but different. You get 1 screenshot.. so you install stuff... enable undo disks.... get it how you like it.. choose shutdown...
            it asks you if you wish to commit, save or discard..
            Commit - adds whatever you just installed into the new base "Image"
            Save - did not commit but allows you to shutdown and reboot but preserves your original "Image"
            Discard - discard anything done previous to the last commit... hence if you just did a nice commit..... and then install say sql, iis, and a few other things... and stuff wasnt right.. you simply choose shutdown, discard and when the machine reboots..... you are back to before all those installs....


            vmware is nice as you can have multiple screenshots...

            at work I have

            Base ==> Base + Patches ==> Base + Patches + domain and others
            I have a few others too.. you can revert to any set point in time....

            we do this for testing of microsoft patches before they hit our environment....
            testing and the sort....
            HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

            HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

            Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

            Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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              #7
              why not run xapmcs1wire on the HOST OS? the Xap hub will worj under a VM juyst fine, since it is xap and presumably your Ethernet port is set to bridged mode the IP of your VM is different than your host, you can run xapmcs1wire on the 2003 side and it will send the info via xap to the VM.. the beauty of xap...

              the BIGGEST issue I have yet in running a VM is being able to break the 4 serial port limit that VM ware server / workstation has.. I have Virtual server 2005 but havent tried 2007 yet.. but with my furnace running on a VB companion program and connected to a built in RS-485 port im sunk along with the 6 other serial devices I have.. and going USB isnt an option either as it seems there is a 2 USB port limit on VMware. and as of virt server 2005 I couldnt get any USB device to work in a VM...

              too bad no one has yet been able to figure out a way to take over the PCI bus and allow PCI cards to be seen at the Lowe level in a VM
              -Christopher
              PerfecTemp - the Most advanced HVAC system I've ever Built - and its in my House

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                #8
                you are correct.. I could run xap from the local server...

                however I am in the heading of keeping all the Home Automation to 1 vm session....

                I already had a use.. installed MSDE SQL 2000 SP3 and something burped... bluescreen.... so I just shut down and chose discard and back up and running..


                although I have found a flaw with microsoft virtual machine.... only supports 1 cpu... vmware supports 2!!!!!!

                Never tried the max serial issue.... I wont know for a while.....
                I do have a dual serial card to install at a later part.. but not right now...
                HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                  #9
                  Jefff,

                  Very interesting! Your expertise and career are computer oriented, so you are integrating home automation by merging it into your existing computer skills.

                  I am approaching it the other way around. My primary interest is home automation and I use computers to get the job done. I find the complexity of todays computer environment way beyond my comfort level. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against using powerful computers to run multiple things at the same time, but I think most people are intimidated by this level of complexity. I'm one of them. I follow the KISS rule.

                  Thanks for the explanation.

                  Steve Q
                  HomeSeer Version: HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.368, Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 - Home, Number of Devices: 373, Number of Events: 666, Enabled Plug-Ins
                  2.0.83.0: BLRF, 2.0.10.0: BLUSBUIRT, 3.0.0.75: HSTouch Server, 3.0.0.58: mcsXap, 3.0.0.11: NetCAM, 3.0.0.36: X10, 3.0.1.25: Z-Wave,Alexa,HomeKit

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                    #10
                    im actually with this VM stuff as I look at my curent setup, granted i dont have quite the powerful machine need.. but I look at what was previously 4 machines running their hearts out *AND* running up my electric bill!!

                    I had 1 server 2003 machine which was my terminal server and MLserver, web server,internet radio server, DNS,DHCP..

                    then there was a Homeseer server doing only Home automation

                    then there was a Linux box purely for my security cams running ZOneminder

                    then a Linux Box running Purely my Asterisk PBX...


                    so I built a new server granted only a single CPU but its a core 2 duo 2.4 Ghz with 4 gig ram and a bunch of hard drive space.. currently it runs now my home automation, MLserver, term server, IIS web, DHCP, no longer DNS, internet radio server, file server.. multiple physical NICs so I can VLAN what gets the bandwidth and what doesnt..

                    so here it is doing all this and most times it is at about 700 megs ram usage and once in a while the CPU spikes to 21% for a few seconds and then back down...

                    so why shouldnt I want to run a Linux VM inside of my 2k3 to take care of my security cams and asterisk.. right now the ONLY thing stopping this is the fact i cant get my TDM400 card to run in a VM.. so im likely going t ogo to an embedded solution for asterisk.. i ordered IP camera servers so that all the cams will be IP instead of hardware card based.. i can use Linksys SPA2102 boxes for the analog phones into asterisk.. now if I could just find an ATA that EASILY worked as an FXO for a pots line i would be ready to move.. thus 4 machines converted to 1 makes a lot of sense and would make the electric bill a little easier on the eyes too...
                    -Christopher
                    PerfecTemp - the Most advanced HVAC system I've ever Built - and its in my House

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                      #11
                      long term vmware user here - I am using vmware server hosted on xp and running 7 vmware sessions on it - one of them is windows xp running homeseer

                      Serial ports are interesting - basically, XP supports 2 "normal" ports - so if you have 2 physical com ports - you can map them through to the virtual - it gets a little more interesting when you add another com port to the host - via something like a usb->serial converter then the host see's 3 com ports, (2 normal one via the usb driver) - if you map all three to the virtual then the os in the virtual see's them all as "normal" ones - and therefore you only see the 2 that the os supports - the usb one is "Lost" - if you do the registry tweak to wake up more ports then they try and share interrupts and it all goes wrong.

                      I did it a different way - two "real" serial ports on host, mapped through to the virtual - then I used usb passthrough on the host, present the usb to serial adapter to the guest as a usb device - install the usb to serial driver in the guest and now you have 3 ports on the virtual (and only 2 on the host)!

                      I would 100% recommend vmware - snap/restore to roll back changes - create a complete backup of a RUNNING system by using the xp backup utlity on the host - it creates a volume shadow of the virtual machine and then backs it up.

                      I am going to try moving the homeseer guest from the windows host to a linux based host next week - that way I can make use of the 8gb of am in the host.

                      Oh - and vmware server (like ms virtual pc) is free.

                      Happy to talk about this more if anyone else is interested in my setup

                      Malarcy

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Malarcy View Post
                        Oh - and vmware server (like ms virtual pc) is free.

                        Happy to talk about this more if anyone else is interested in my setup

                        Malarcy
                        yeah i was thinking of trying vmware server next.... seems I couldnt get vmware workstation working... so we will see....
                        thanks... good reading!!!!
                        HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                        HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                        Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                        Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wadenut
                          Do I dare? Probably, but not tonight. I've learned the hard way, making drastic changes late in the day leads to very late nights.
                          that is why im going to vmware!!!!!!!!!
                          HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                          HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                          Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                          Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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                            #14
                            Running HomeSeer under VMware

                            Originally posted by TeleFragger View Post
                            that is why im going to vmware!!!!!!!!!
                            Hang on please! VMware can cause some strange things with HomeSeer, and is definitely not a supported configuration. "Your mileage may vary", but please don't run to us for assistance when everything doesn't run perfectly.

                            If you want to do testing with VMware, it may work. If you're going to run your live system under VMware, then you're doing so at your own risk.
                            -Geoff

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by epsteing View Post
                              If you're going to run your live system under VMware, then you're doing so at your own risk.
                              understood... im not going to shutdown my main hs just yet...
                              going to install vmware server and try and get my xap 1 wire working first.. then all else within the hs trial... if it works then im going to uninstall and license the vmware session....

                              if I dont like the vmware within the timeframe.. then I will just simply delete the vmware...

                              means I will also have to rebuild my server as right now my setup is sooooo messed up....
                              HW - i5 4570T @2.9ghz runs @11w | 8gb ram | 128gb ssd OS - Win10 x64

                              HS - HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.435

                              Plugins - BLRF 2.0.94.0 | Concord 4 3.1.13.10 | HSBuddy 3.9.605.5 | HSTouch Server 3.0.0.68 | RFXCOM 30.0.0.36 | X10 3.0.0.36 | Z-Wave 3.0.1.190

                              Hardware - EdgePort/4 DB9 Serial | RFXCOM 433MHz USB Transceiver | Superbus 2000 for Concord 4 | TI103 X-10 Interface | WGL Designs W800 RF | Z-Net Z-Wave Interface

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