Programming Insteon Keypadlinc Buttons

[aviatordave]

Hello all,

I'm still pretty new to HA and HS. I've just installed my first set of Insteon Switchlincs and a 6 button Keypadlinc. I've got the Keypadlinc (A dual band #2487S) installed at the top of the basement stairs and successfully configured such that the "On" button and the "Off" button turn on/off all the basement lights. Switchlincs for the different basement light circuits are a mix of dual band and non dual band dimming switches. (#2476DAL & 2477DAL)

I'm struggling to get the individual A,B,C,D buttons programmed. I want them to allow me to control the individual lighting circuits that I've installed Switchlincs to control. According to the product manual, linking the buttons seems to be the same process as linking any other switch . . . hold the "A" button down for 10 seconds, hear the "beep", now you have 4 minutes to go link a switch to it. Set the state of the light circuit to what you want it to be when the "A" button is pushed and hold the "On" side of the Switchlinc paddle 'til it beeps and viola, it should now be linked. To verify, go press the "A" button a few times to see the corresponding light circuit turns on and off, right?

This is where my problem is. The linking steps all seem to go normally but then the "A" button doesn't do anything. Won't turn the lights on or off.

I've tried making the association through HS using the Insteon plug-in as well (Mark's latest 1.7.2.5). I was successful in using the plug-in to create the "All on/All off" scenario but when I tried to then program button "A" to control one particular circuit, individually, it removed that circuit from the overall "On/Off" group I had created and still didn't add the functionality to button "A".

I started to set up an event in HS to control this but I read in another thread somewhere while reading up on this to try to find a solution that if you can set up the links with the manual Insteon linking method or the plug-in that this is a more efficient (faster execution of the action) method than having HS run an event on a button push trigger. Seems like I should be able to make something this simple happen without HS having to run some commands. Am I overestimating the abilities of the Keypadlinc?

Can anybody tell this neophyte what I'm doing wrong?
And just for knowledge's sake, all of the Switchlincs and the Keypadlincs are fed from the same power line, traceable back to a single breaker in the panel so I don't believe there is any phase leg issues. All devices registered in HS ok and I'm using the PLM 2413U controller with the Homeseer Hometroller SE-PRO running HomeSeer Pro Edition v2.5.0.23

Thanks in advance,
-Dave

[mnsandler]

dave,
if you are trying to get the A btn to control the load attached to the same kpl, then you need to link the A btn with the On btn. But this can not be done with the plugin. See the kpl manual about doing this.

if you are trying to control a separate switchlinc with the A btn, they you should be able to create a link from the kpl edit links page. select the A btn and then choose the responder device that you want to control and click Create Link. The 'cross link devices' creates a link where the responder would also control the kpl a btn.

if you are trying to do something else, then i need more info

[aviatordave]

Mark,

That knowledge will help. Thank you. I will play around with this.

I'm wondering about a little deeper understanding on one point though. The "on" button on the kpl is currently linked to 4 circuits.

1) stairway lights
2) living room lights
3) game room lights
4) pool table overhead light

The stairway lights are actually wired to the kpl directly as the kpl serves as the load switch for that particular circuit.

Since the On/Off buttons on the kpl are linked to all 4 circuits, will linking the A btn to the On btn of the kpl cause the A btn to control all 4 circuits as well or can I break out the A btn to control just the stairway lights?

What I'm trying to achieve is to have the ABCD buttons control all 4 circuits individually and have the On/Off btns control them all as a group.

Is this achievable?

-Dave

[mnsandler]

Yes, you can do what you want. and the A btn won't control the other lights even if you link it to the kpl On btn

one setup i use is to use the A btn for All Lights. so the kpl on/off only controls one light while the A btn controls all the lights in the room.

[aviatordave]

Ok . . . progress . . . but after editing the link in HS to make the B btn control the living room lights, that worked great but now the living room lights don't turn on and off with the kpl on/off btns anymore. So I'm wondering if I'm approaching the logic of how to set up these switches incorrectly . . . Would this be how I should approach this:

Kpl is load switch for stairway lights, so;
1) Link A btn to On btn of kpl (via method perscribed in kpl manual)
2) Link B btn to living room lights (via HS)
3) Link C btn to game room lights (via HS)
4) Link D btn to pool table lights (via HS)

5) Link A,B,C, & D btns to both kpl On and Off btns (via HS)

Or am I over complicating this and there's a way to not have the On/Off btns lose control of a responder when editing the device and creating a link to one of the letter buttons . . ?

Also, would the "Toggle" vs "Non-toggle On/Off" have an impact? (I understand the difference between them and have played with it to no avail.)

-Dave

P.S. I very much appreciate your patience and explanations here! Being new at this and having someone to help is great!

[mnsandler]

you would need to link the living room light to the KPL On btn as well from the kpl edit link page.

i don't understand 5) above, it seems like you want to turn On the stairway lights with any btn A-D. is that right?

ignore toggle and non-toggle for now

[aviatordave]

Tried linking the living room lights load switch to the kpl On button by editing the links through the living room. It didn't seem to change any functionality at the kpl but now when I turn on the living room lights from the living room light load switch, the stairway lights come on as well. I suspect this is because the kpl is also the load switch for the stairway lights. <laugh> I was tempted to delete what I thought was the right link in the edit links page but decided that maybe I'd better look at wiping the slate clean and starting over. There seems to be a lot of links set up now through my experimentation that are maybe muddying the waters.

Is there an easy way to return devices back to factory settings through HS?

No, I'm not looking to turn on the stairway lights with any of the A-D buttons.

I want:
A btn to control the stairway lights
B btn to control the living room lights
C btn to control the game room lights
D btn to control the pool table light

On btn to turn all 4 circuits on
Off btn to turn all 4 circuits off.

I have started to learn that there is a lot of cross linking that needs to be done with Insteon devices. When I was manually setting up the two switchlincs for the 3-way circuit that controls the living room lights I figured out that I have to link the load switch to the line switch and then link the line switch to the load switch. When doing this through HS, is seems all I have to do is check the "Cross Link devices" box to achieve the same thing, correct?

[mnsandler]

the is no way to reset a switch from the plugin. this is a manual operation only.

once you reset it manually, use the 'program device for homeseer' to recreate the standard links.

when you want a device (called the controller) to control another device (called a responder), you should start on the controller edit links page and select the responder and then create the link.

yes, the cross link devices creates links so both devices are controllers and responders to each other; think of 3-way circuit on stairs.

you should be able to do everything you want from the plugin by creating links except for having the A btn control the load on the kpl. See the kpl manual for how to do this.

Of course the On/Off is also going to control the load on the KPL assuming you connected the red lead.

[mnsandler]

there is no way to reset a switch from the plugin. this is a manual operation only.

once you reset it manually, use the 'program device for homeseer' to recreate the standard links.

when you want a device (called the controller) to control another device (called a responder), you should start on the controller edit links page and select the responder and then create the link.

yes, the cross link devices creates links so both devices are controllers and responders to each other; think of 3-way circuit on stairs.

you should be able to do everything you want from the plugin by creating links except for having the A btn control the load on the kpl. See the kpl manual for how to do this.

Of course the On/Off is also going to control the load on the KPL assuming you connected the red lead.

[aviatordave]

Thank you Mark. I'm going to wipe the slate clean and start over with all this knew knowledge. I'll let ya know how it all goes.

-Dave

[aviatordave]

ESS EWE CEE CEE EE ESS ESS!! Success!!

I've got it set up *Exactly* the way I want it. I think what I've learned is that Insteon devices are smart and dumb at the same time. They're smart enough to do what you want them to do with very minimal user input but at the same time they assume nothing. They only do exactly what you tell them to do. You've got to link and cross link the heck out of stuff.

I got everything to work and was disappointed that the lights on the ABCD keys of the kpl didn't turn off when I turned everything off with the Off btn. In a bumbled attempt to link the A btn to the On btn (for the stairway lights) it didn't work because I did it backwards. While the stairway lights didn't come on when I pressed the A btn, I did notice that the on/off status of the light behind the A btn now matched the overall large On/Off btns. Ah ha!! By repeating the linking of the B,C & D buttons the same way with the On btn, now all the buttons indicate whether the circuits are lit or not. (I reversed the linking process with the A btn and the On btn and now the A btn indeed controls the stairway lights!)

From a theory standpoint I've learned that the lights behind the ABCD btns will show an on status with the circuit when individually pressed and *won't* show an off status (no light) if the circuit has been turned off with the kpl Off button, in which case the A btn, for example, will stay illuminated even through the stairway lights are off because the lighted A btn itself wasn't linked to the kpl On/Off btns. Once linked to those as well, the ABCD buttons show the actual light circuit status accurately. Some lights down there you can't see from the top of the stairs so this was a good thing to learn how to do!! This, of course, assumes that you've linked everything else to the On button to begin with.

It's a lot more linking and cross linking than I thought it was originally going to be but I think I understand the whole process much better now. I am far better prepared for future projects.

Thanks Mark, for all your help. I really appreciate it! Your plug-in works great!

-Dave

[tbone]

KeypadLinc Switch Dual Band #2487S

Hello gang,

Just got a couple of Smarthome devices, an ApplianceLinc, and outdoor ApplianceLinc, Access Point and a KeypadLinc Switch (Dual Band #2487S).

I have been using HS Pro for several years and have successfully installed several Insteon devices without a hitch (also use Zwave and a few X10 devices).

My problem lies with my new SwitchLinc. First I tap linked my two new appliancelincs and the Access Point into the the system and they were all recognized and operate as you would expect.

The Switchlinc Switch did not register properly. The plugin reports a new "unknown device" with a designation of "022c". It only recognizes the main ON and OFF switches but NOT the A, B, C or D buttons.

Here is what the plugin reports:


Device Type: Device Type 022C
Firmware Version: 41
Comm Reliability: 96% (2 failed out of 53 cmds)



When looking at the HS log file, the two ON and OFF switches can be seen sending the proper commands, but the other buttons do not show up on the log (as would be expected since they are not listed in the plugin either)

My feeling is that this SwitchLinc is DEFECTIVE. I have done a hard reset on the device and the results were the same.

I have a older KeypadLinc Dimmer that has worked flawlessly for the last few years.

I had just purchased the Insteon Plug via the HS updater.

Interface: Smarthome 2413U, HS HomeTroller
Software: HS2 Pro
Computer: Dell Optiplex Pent 4
OS: Windows XP
Plugins: Insteon PLM, Smarthome SwitchLinc Programmer



And finally, here is my HS2 Pro start up log file....




12/10/2012 11:27:26 AM Startup Start up complete.
12/10/2012 11:27:26 AM Startup Scripting is OK and is now running Startup.txt
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM HSTouch Server Server started on port 10200
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12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM HSTouch Server Server is enabled for unlimited connections.
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup Running the Startup.txt Script
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12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Insteon External Device Registration complete.
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup Starting DDNS service...
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup Updater services starting...
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Web Server Web Server authorized local login successful from: 127.0.0.1 User: timothygovier
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12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Z-Wave Starting 'Z-Wave Health' Process Starter...
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Z-Wave Starting Z-Wave Polling...
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup Starting Event Scheduler...
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup Starting the HS2 Sentry EXE
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Speech Listening for remote speaker connections on port 8742
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup Initializing Speaker Client Interface
12/10/2012 11:27:25 AM Startup This version of HomeSeer is registered.
12/10/2012 11:27:24 AM email Email receive thread started
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12/10/2012 11:27:24 AM Startup Initializing email 0 1
12/10/2012 11:27:24 AM Startup ASP.NET application host created
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12/10/2012 11:27:15 AM Web Server Web Server started on port 80
12/10/2012 11:27:15 AM Web Server Local IP address (subnet) is: 192.168.1.230 (255.255.255.0)
12/10/2012 11:27:15 AM Plug-In Finished initializing infrared interface
12/10/2012 11:27:15 AM Plug-In Finished initializing X10 interface ACT TI103
12/10/2012 11:27:15 AM Info TI103, Communications established at 9600 baud
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12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM Plug-In Initializing X10 Plug-in: ACT TI103 On COM Port 8
12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM Plug-In Finished initializing plug-in Smarthome SwitchLinc
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12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM HSTouch Server Unlimited HSTouch Server Unlimited plugin initialized.
12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM Plug-In Initializing Plug-in: HSTouch Server Unlimited
12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM HSTouch Server Unlimited Register callback completed
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12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM Plug-In Finished initializing plug-in Insteon
12/10/2012 11:27:13 AM Insteon Waiting to initialize External Devices...
12/10/2012 11:27:12 AM Insteon RF PLM contacted on COM4 with an Insteon address of 14.83.6A and firmware version 92
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12/10/2012 11:27:11 AM Startup Initializing Plug-Ins
12/10/2012 11:27:11 AM Plug-In Found plug-in: UPB, version: 1.0.2.7
12/10/2012 11:27:11 AM Plug-In Found plug-in: ACT TI103, version: 2.0.0.5
12/10/2012 11:27:11 AM Plug-In Found plug-in: Smarthome SwitchLinc, version: 1.0.0.6
12/10/2012 11:27:11 AM Plug-In Found plug-in: Media Player, version: 2.5.0.16
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12/10/2012 11:27:10 AM Z-Wave This Z-Wave PC Controller is Type: ZW_LIB_INSTALLER
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12/10/2012 11:27:09 AM Z-Wave Controller Manufacturer: HomeSeer Tech, ID=0x2, Type=0x1
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12/10/2012 11:27:09 AM Z-Wave Z-Wave interface node ID: 1, Home ID: 003D7418
12/10/2012 11:27:09 AM Z-Wave Z-Wave Serial API version: 4
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12/10/2012 11:27:08 AM Startup Creating Speaker Client Interface Object...
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[mnsandler]

tbone,

just so we are clear the 022c is a KPL , not a switchlinc, correct?

SH snuck this new kpl devicetype (022c) in on me so its not in 1.7.x.

Please try the latest beta 1.8.0.9 (or 1.8.1 if you have a usb plm). both have support for this new devicetype

[tbone]

KeypadLinc switch dual band

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the quick response. Just to be clear, I am using a KeypadLinc Switch Dual Band (6 button... non dimming). I just purchased it last week.

I will add the beta version of your plugin later when I get home from work and let you know how it goes.

Just so you know, my USB PLM (2413U) has never had any issues. My HS2 system is extremely stable... running many months at a time without a reboot.

Thanks for your support.

Tim

Sent from my DROID X2

[mnsandler]

Tim,
if you haven't had any usb disconnect issues, then load 1.8.0.9