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    So my home got burglarized 2 days ago, it's a huge loss. both of us are still in shock, especially my wife. we lost a total of $300k worth of stuff.

    My stupidity of not setting the alarm gave the 3 thieves more than 30 minutes of time in my home. I was only going down the street to practice golf at a driving range, for about 2 hours. so I thought it was ok.

    It's time to make more out of the HS3 moving forward. I need to keep the thieves away. Alarm only buys a few minutes of time after they enter and trigger it.


    I have a Yamaha receiver with airplay that has a Zone 2 hooked up to outdoor speakers.

    How can I make HS3 to play something like a siren sound through the Yamaha?


    They entered from the back yard fence, which is on a slope and is fairly easy to hike.

    Any suggestions for perimeter sensors?


    I'll be also changing my motion lights to Ring motion lights with camera.

    #2
    Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
    So my home got burglarized 2 days ago, it's a huge loss. both of us are still in shock, especially my wife. we lost a total of $300k worth of stuff.

    My stupidity of not setting the alarm gave the 3 thieves more than 30 minutes of time in my home. I was only going down the street to practice golf at a driving range, for about 2 hours. so I thought it was ok.
    Ouch, sorry for your loss.

    Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
    It's time to make more out of the HS3 moving forward. I need to keep the thieves away. Alarm only buys a few minutes of time after they enter and trigger it.
    Plus most alarms are not really that loud so it's really doesn't cause the bad guys to leave quickly.

    Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
    I have a Yamaha receiver with airplay that has a Zone 2 hooked up to outdoor speakers.
    You'll either have to leave the Yamaha on all the time or remotely control it. All that is easily doable.

    Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
    How can I make HS3 to play something like a siren sound through the Yamaha?
    Getting sound out of HS3 through an audio jack is easy. The problem will be getting the sound to the Yamaha unless you want to put your HS3 controller next to it. If HomeSeer would release the Speaker Client protocol then anyone could setup a RaspberryPi as a speaker client which could be placed anywhere needed.

    I don't think there is an Airplay plugin that you could use to send the sound that way.

    Looks like your best bet would be some sort of simple wireless audio interface.

    Although technically illegal, ask me if I care, the inside alarm, when triggered for entry in away mode, should start out at the normal 105db sound level but after 30 to 45 seconds increase to at least 135db so it actually causes anyone in the building PAIN!!! That way they will get out FAST.

    Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
    They entered from the back yard fence, which is on a slope and is fairly easy to hike.

    Any suggestions for perimeter sensors?
    Not for Z-Wave but for regular alarms there are many outdoor perimeter sensors both wired and wireless. Now you could always take one of the wired sensors and connect it to a Z-Wave contact sensor.

    Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
    I'll be also changing my motion lights to Ring motion lights with camera.
    That's a good idea, just wish that Ring had all of their devices configured so they could work on 5GHz as well as 2.4GHz as it's too easy to disrupt 2.4GHz devices.
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      #3
      Mike 2016,

      Sorry for your loss. I placed Bosch OD-850-F1 Outdoor microwave/PIR around the perimeter of my home. I use the relay output and connect it to the Arduino plugin. This setup has worked great. I first used DSC LC-151 sensors but these would trigger when a cloud passed over and shadowed the sensor. What a awful sensor, just junk. Many calls to DSC tech support. After switching to the Bosch I never had a false detection. Once the Arduino plugin is triggered, HS3 can turn on lights or many other options.

      Thanks,

      Ronnie

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        #4
        Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
        So my home got burglarized 2 days ago, it's a huge loss. both of us are still in shock. . .
        Ouch! Did they haul all the loot over the back fence too?
        My stupidity of not setting the alarm . . .
        It's not terribly useful to blame yourself, but you now know how important it is to arm your system.
        It's time to make more out of the HS3 moving forward. I need to keep the thieves away. Alarm only buys a few minutes of time after they enter and trigger it. . . .Any suggestions for perimeter sensors?
        Keeping the thieves away is a very difficult problem. Experienced crooks know they have time before there is a response, even if they trigger an alarm. (It's possible they assumed your house was alarmed and just didn't care.) One thing I do is have HS send me a message if the alarm is triggered or even if someone other than one of us disarms it. That gives me a chance to take action in parallel with the monitoring company or even if the alarm is not triggered. If you have surveillance in place, and can access it remotely, you could even monitor the thieves while they are there, perhaps take some snapshots to help identify them.

        If you have a particularly vulnerable access point, it might make sense to build a more difficult barrier to breach. Are there any restrictions on fences? What about putting an 8 foot black or green chain link fence in the back?

        If you cannot build a formidable barrier, another option could be to put in a modest fence with a gate. A sensor on the gate will catch anyone entering that way, especially if it is inconspicuous. (Why climb the fence when there's an unlocked gate?) Giving intruders an access point can also be useful for video since a camera trained on the gate will capture images of anyone using it. Video surveillance is also an excellent way to monitor perimeters. I find that the motion sensor function on the Blue Iris software is extremely effective in detecting human activity as long as things that might move in the wind are excluded. You could even have it send you a message whenever motion is detected.
        Mike____________________________________________________________ __________________
        HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.548, NUC i3

        HW: Stargate | NX8e | CAV6.6 | Squeezebox | PCS | WGL 800RF | RFXCOM | Vantage Pro | Green-Eye | Edgeport/8 | Way2Call | Ecobee3 | EtherRain | Ubiquiti

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          #5
          Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
          So my home got burglarized 2 days ago, it's a huge loss. both of us are still in shock, especially my wife. we lost a total of $300k worth of stuff.

          My stupidity of not setting the alarm gave the 3 thieves more than 30 minutes of time in my home. I was only going down the street to practice golf at a driving range, for about 2 hours. so I thought it was ok.

          It's time to make more out of the HS3 moving forward. I need to keep the thieves away. Alarm only buys a few minutes of time after they enter and trigger it.


          I have a Yamaha receiver with airplay that has a Zone 2 hooked up to outdoor speakers.

          How can I make HS3 to play something like a siren sound through the Yamaha?


          They entered from the back yard fence, which is on a slope and is fairly easy to hike.

          Any suggestions for perimeter sensors?


          I'll be also changing my motion lights to Ring motion lights with camera.
          Sorry to hear!
          When you state that the alarm only buys a few minutes, it makes me wonder how come? If it had been turned on, you don't think they would have left. They don't know whether it is monitored, or not - so they beat feet. If it is monitored, the police show up, right?

          When mine goes off, the police come.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Monk View Post
            If it is monitored, the police show up, right? When mine goes off, the police come.
            I've never had an intrusion, but my neighbor and I have had a couple of false alarms over the years. Yes, the police come, but it can take a while to get a car to our house - tens of minutes where we live. Plenty of time for an experienced thief to escape.
            Mike____________________________________________________________ __________________
            HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.548, NUC i3

            HW: Stargate | NX8e | CAV6.6 | Squeezebox | PCS | WGL 800RF | RFXCOM | Vantage Pro | Green-Eye | Edgeport/8 | Way2Call | Ecobee3 | EtherRain | Ubiquiti

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              #7
              Originally posted by Uncle Michael View Post
              Plenty of time for an experienced thief to escape.
              Or 3 inexperienced ones to run away
              Point being - if it isn't on, you simply do not know.

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                #8
                In my area it's common knowledge that house alarms are of the lower priority for a police call and they will come... if they have time.

                Also I was told by the cops (I'm part of my neighborhood watch program), that two zones have to be tripped before they will respond. Basically a door AND and motion. I don't have my motions armed because of the dogs and they false trip them too much. So I really do rely just on my alerts from HS and then check. I do however pay to have my system monitored, purely for the smoke alarm aspect, as those they will respond to immediately.

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                  #9
                  Regarding the OP - I do believe that having the alarm actually go off is a large plus - regardless of how experienced the burglar, how slow the police are or if they never come at all. Lots of noise is good. Cameras are good.
                  You stated there were three burglars - how did this become known?

                  Some folks are able to arm their alarms automatically if they forget to. For instance, An ELK, DSC or some others can talk to HS. (I like ELK)

                  To your original questions, however -
                  Yes, the Yamaha amp you have hooked up to your external speakers should be able to make some noise - controlled via HS.
                  Don't have perimeter sensors here, but those won't matter anyway if the alarm isn't set .

                  Hope you have replacement-value home owner's insurance!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ronnie View Post
                    Mike 2016,

                    Sorry for your loss. I placed Bosch OD-850-F1 Outdoor microwave/PIR around the perimeter of my home. I use the relay output and connect it to the Arduino plugin. This setup has worked great. I first used DSC LC-151 sensors but these would trigger when a cloud passed over and shadowed the sensor. What a awful sensor, just junk. Many calls to DSC tech support. After switching to the Bosch I never had a false detection. Once the Arduino plugin is triggered, HS3 can turn on lights or many other options.

                    Thanks,

                    Ronnie
                    Thanks Ronnie. I'll definitely look into this. How do you keep the sensor powered outdoor? my fence is about 200ft from the end of my house.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Monk View Post
                      Regarding the OP - I do believe that having the alarm actually go off is a large plus - regardless of how experienced the burglar, how slow the police are or if they never come at all. Lots of noise is good. Cameras are good.
                      You stated there were three burglars - how did this become known?

                      Some folks are able to arm their alarms automatically if they forget to. For instance, An ELK, DSC or some others can talk to HS. (I like ELK)

                      To your original questions, however -
                      Yes, the Yamaha amp you have hooked up to your external speakers should be able to make some noise - controlled via HS.
                      Don't have perimeter sensors here, but those won't matter anyway if the alarm isn't set .

                      Hope you have replacement-value home owner's insurance!


                      We live in an incorporated city and is patrolled by a sheriff station 5 miles away, they also patrol 5 other surrounding cities, they are always short handed. My neighbor got broken in last month, alarm went off and police came 30mins after.

                      when I got home and called 911, it also took them about 20 mins or so.

                      these guys know exactly what they are doing, they know they got plenty of time. if I can detect them before they get in, I can set off the exterior siren, turn on all lights. they will definitely go away....

                      my camera caught everything.... outdoor DVR and Nest cam indoor.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Uncle Michael View Post
                        Ouch! Did they haul all the loot over the back fence too?
                        It's not terribly useful to blame yourself, but you now know how important it is to arm your system.
                        Keeping the thieves away is a very difficult problem. Experienced crooks know they have time before there is a response, even if they trigger an alarm. (It's possible they assumed your house was alarmed and just didn't care.) One thing I do is have HS send me a message if the alarm is triggered or even if someone other than one of us disarms it. That gives me a chance to take action in parallel with the monitoring company or even if the alarm is not triggered. If you have surveillance in place, and can access it remotely, you could even monitor the thieves while they are there, perhaps take some snapshots to help identify them.

                        If you have a particularly vulnerable access point, it might make sense to build a more difficult barrier to breach. Are there any restrictions on fences? What about putting an 8 foot black or green chain link fence in the back?

                        If you cannot build a formidable barrier, another option could be to put in a modest fence with a gate. A sensor on the gate will catch anyone entering that way, especially if it is inconspicuous. (Why climb the fence when there's an unlocked gate?) Giving intruders an access point can also be useful for video since a camera trained on the gate will capture images of anyone using it. Video surveillance is also an excellent way to monitor perimeters. I find that the motion sensor function on the Blue Iris software is extremely effective in detecting human activity as long as things that might move in the wind are excluded. You could even have it send you a message whenever motion is detected.

                        The loot wasn't terribly large, bunch of woman's handbags, watches, jewelry... and 2 guns. I could've done it. it's an easy trail to hike out of the community that leads to a wide open street.

                        the most important is to detect them before they get in, and do necessary actions to scare them away. I have several flood lights in the back that can be turned on with HS3.

                        we can't do anything with the fences because there's HOA, it has to be uniform. the fence is at the back, there's no gate. it's in between my backyard and a downhill slope.

                        my Hikvision cameras actually detected the motion, but I wasn't paying attention. There are too many false notifications so I usually just ignore them. swinging trees, bugs, files.... all trigger a motion. I'm going to have to fine tune the motion detection zone.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by mike2016 View Post
                          my Hikvision cameras actually detected the motion, but I wasn't paying attention. There are too many false notifications so I usually just ignore them.
                          False triggers are the bane of outside detection systems. That's probably a major reason why commercial systems are expensive. If you are serious about monitoring your back yard for intruders, you might have to start by making it a bit barren the way a commercial building would be set up, or at least create a zone that is, so an intruder is forced to cross an area devoid of both cover and false signal generators. That may not be too ugly, though, if you have 200 feet to work with. You could then set up either cameras, IR beams, etc. to monitor that zone.

                          Or, you might consider landscaping in a way that forces an intruder to follow a narrow path through a zone of the yard - through a gap or funnel. If you can do that, you can make the detection job much easier, but it will be time consuming and costly to do.

                          we can't do anything with the fences because there's HOA, it has to be uniform
                          Could you install a "decorative" fence between your house and the existing fence at the end of the property?
                          Mike____________________________________________________________ __________________
                          HS3 Pro Edition 3.0.0.548, NUC i3

                          HW: Stargate | NX8e | CAV6.6 | Squeezebox | PCS | WGL 800RF | RFXCOM | Vantage Pro | Green-Eye | Edgeport/8 | Way2Call | Ecobee3 | EtherRain | Ubiquiti

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                            #14
                            Sorry to hear about your break in. It's happened to me before too, and it's hard to feel comfortable in your own home again for a while.

                            I was thinking about this very problem a while back and found pepper spray foggers that can be triggered by your alarm or HA. That's a little extreme, I know, but there are also high volume foggers that you can trigger without the painful effects of pepper spray (I would certainly not want to accidentally trigger the pepper stuff!)

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2qApXHN4y8
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                              #15
                              Home got burglarized , time to step up the game

                              Originally posted by reidfo View Post
                              URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2qApXHN4y8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2qApXHN4y8[/URL]
                              Agreed, sorry this happened to you, the Fogger, and a few high decibel sirens might just do the trick if someone actually breaks the physical barriers.

                              Have you considered occupancy detection and passive arming of the alarm?

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