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    #31
    Originally posted by julez View Post
    So what kind of range and spread are we looking at for the motion sensing?
    I was just about ready to pull the trigger on some Zooz sensors, but the line power intrigues me. Also what kind of power adapter does it require? I'd assume I could just use the same sort of adapter that I have for a Pi3?
    A Pi3 power adapter should work just fine.
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      #32
      How does this sensor detect motion?

      I have an Aeon Labs version that uses light and heat for motion detection. the problem is that a light turning on will trigger a motion event.

      I also look forward to an outdoor version.

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        #33
        I suspect it uses a PIR very similiar to this:
        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free...ceBeautifyAB=0

        Work great as I use it tied to an arduino with the arduino plugin to detect my cat trying to eat our house plants. It's not a pet immune sensor, I don't see anything about this new HS device if it's pet immune or not. Might be important to some.

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          #34
          Originally posted by thewizardofoz View Post
          How does this sensor detect motion?

          I have an Aeon Labs version that uses light and heat for motion detection. the problem is that a light turning on will trigger a motion event.

          I also look forward to an outdoor version.
          it uses an infrared sensor.
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            #35
            I'm actually using a pair of these in my garage right now. We've had a pretty nasty cold spell where the garage was closer to -15C and they continued to work without any issue even though it says 0-40C. I expect the temperature range is probably conservative.

            I do have a coupe questions about them.

            1. Since they an be line powered, is there any way to make them so they can always in a listening node state?

            2. What is the sensitivity adjustment actually adjusting? Is it the object size it's seeing move? Or the speed of the movement?

            3. One observation, seems like it takes roughly 1 second for it to trigger motion. Which is actually pretty good considering other sensors I've worked with sometimes are 4-5 seconds. Are there any adjustments that can be made to make it faster?

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              #36
              Originally posted by julez View Post
              I'm actually using a pair of these in my garage right now. We've had a pretty nasty cold spell where the garage was closer to -15C and they continued to work without any issue even though it says 0-40C. I expect the temperature range is probably conservative.

              I do have a coupe questions about them.

              1. Since they an be line powered, is there any way to make them so they can always in a listening node state?

              2. What is the sensitivity adjustment actually adjusting? Is it the object size it's seeing move? Or the speed of the movement?

              3. One observation, seems like it takes roughly 1 second for it to trigger motion. Which is actually pretty good considering other sensors I've worked with sometimes are 4-5 seconds. Are there any adjustments that can be made to make it faster?
              Usually for point 1, you have to exclude the device and then re-add it when it's being externally powered.
              cheeryfool

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                #37
                Originally posted by julez View Post
                I'm actually using a pair of these in my garage right now. We've had a pretty nasty cold spell where the garage was closer to -15C and they continued to work without any issue even though it says 0-40C. I expect the temperature range is probably conservative.

                I do have a coupe questions about them.

                1. Since they an be line powered, is there any way to make them so they can always in a listening node state?

                2. What is the sensitivity adjustment actually adjusting? Is it the object size it's seeing move? Or the speed of the movement?

                3. One observation, seems like it takes roughly 1 second for it to trigger motion. Which is actually pretty good considering other sensors I've worked with sometimes are 4-5 seconds. Are there any adjustments that can be made to make it faster?
                1. Yes, you can set the motion timeout to something very small like 10 seconds
                2. The refers to the sensitivity of IR. Typically, this translates to increasing the range (distance)
                3. No
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by macromark View Post
                  1. Yes, you can set the motion timeout to something very small like 10 seconds
                  2. The refers to the sensitivity of IR. Typically, this translates to increasing the range (distance)
                  3. No
                  Ha! I was going to mention range also in number 2.
                  This is perfect! Thanks!

                  Can't wait to see the Outdoor units.

                  So just a follow-up on 1 with the motion timeout. If I have HS3 try to communicate with the sensor with that low of a timeout, it's essentially listening and should respond then?

                  Just doing some more configuration yesterday evening I had it set to 60sec for the timeout and at that point I still had to tap the button 4 times to be able to communicate with the sensor in order to see and change the configuration settings or to optimize it.

                  To follow-up on what cheeryfool said above. Is there any difference in adopting the sensor on battery vs line power?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by julez View Post
                    Ha! I was going to mention range also in number 2.
                    This is perfect! Thanks!

                    Can't wait to see the Outdoor units.

                    So just a follow-up on 1 with the motion timeout. If I have HS3 try to communicate with the sensor with that low of a timeout, it's essentially listening and should respond then?

                    Just doing some more configuration yesterday evening I had it set to 60sec for the timeout and at that point I still had to tap the button 4 times to be able to communicate with the sensor in order to see and change the configuration settings or to optimize it.

                    To follow-up on what cheeryfool said above. Is there any difference in adopting the sensor on battery vs line power?
                    If you include the unit while on line power, it will function as a ROUTING SLAVE ("repeater"), you won't need to wake it to get into the settings and you can set the motion timeout as low as "0" which will make it extremely responsive.
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by macromark View Post
                      If you include the unit while on line power, it will function as a ROUTING SLAVE ("repeater"), you won't need to wake it to get into the settings and you can set the motion timeout as low as "0" which will make it extremely responsive.
                      Thanks, this is extremely useful information!

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by macromark View Post
                        If you include the unit while on line power, it will function as a ROUTING SLAVE ("repeater"), you won't need to wake it to get into the settings and you can set the motion timeout as low as "0" which will make it extremely responsive.
                        So I tried this. Completely removed the battery before the secure inclusion.
                        It comes up as Enhanced Routing Slave, but if I test connectivity I get a failed to reach node.

                        https://www.dropbox.com/s/nvjlraiatf...pture.JPG?dl=0

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                          #42
                          I'm also seeing the same behavior. The unit only responds to motion otherwise I get the failed to reach node.

                          Stuart

                          Auditing node 73 (Node 73 Z-Wave HomeSeer Motion Sensor) ...

                          HomeSeer was able to send a frame to the node.
                          HomeSeer cannot test two-way communication with the node because it is a non-listening node.
                          This was included to the system on a power supply and the battery was removed from the system prior to inclusion and remains out of the unit.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by julez View Post
                            So I tried this. Completely removed the battery before the secure inclusion.
                            It comes up as Enhanced Routing Slave, but if I test connectivity I get a failed to reach node.

                            https://www.dropbox.com/s/nvjlraiatf...pture.JPG?dl=0
                            Originally posted by Stuart View Post
                            I'm also seeing the same behavior. The unit only responds to motion otherwise I get the failed to reach node.

                            Stuart

                            Auditing node 73 (Node 73 Z-Wave HomeSeer Motion Sensor) ...

                            HomeSeer was able to send a frame to the node.
                            HomeSeer cannot test two-way communication with the node because it is a non-listening node.
                            This was included to the system on a power supply and the battery was removed from the system prior to inclusion and remains out of the unit.
                            Not an issue for me. What version of the Z-Wave plug-in are you using? And... did you try optimizing the node?
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                              #44
                              just woke up the unit
                              optimized
                              got this after it optimized after wating 15 seconds

                              Failed to reach node 73 (Node 73 Z-Wave HomeSeer Motion Sensor)

                              zwave 3.0.1.185 Hs3 3.0.0.402

                              HomeSeer Tech Version: 1.1 firmware

                              Stuart

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Stuart View Post
                                just woke up the unit
                                optimized
                                got this after it optimized after wating 15 seconds

                                Failed to reach node 73 (Node 73 Z-Wave HomeSeer Motion Sensor)

                                zwave 3.0.1.185 Hs3 3.0.0.402

                                HomeSeer Tech Version: 1.1 firmware

                                Stuart
                                If it's on line power when you include it, there should be no need to wake it up. You should be able to click on "Settings" on the Z-Wave tab and all settings will display. Try including it again but this time bring the sensor close to the controller first, then put it on line power and exclude it, them include it again. Then check the settings and do a connectivity test. Once that's working properly, reposition it, plug it in and optimize it. Everything should be good then.
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