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Old May 16th, 2018, 01:49 AM
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Weather Underground Cancels Free API Program

So, it looks like free APIs will no longer be available from Wundergound.com:

https://www.wunderground.com/weather/api

Also posted to their forums:

https://apicommunity.wunderground.co...nd-api-changes

I only discovered this while trying to setup the WeatherXML.

It's also unclear how free APIs will be affected going forward, whether they will be grandfathered in or not.

If this is as screwed up as it looks, what will our options be for collecting data from personal weather stations?

Here's my understanding by plugin:

WeatherXML: Uses Wunderground, affected by this change.
UltraWeatherWU3: Uses Wunderground.
UltraNetAtmo3: Fine if you own a NetAtmo device, but brand specific.
UltraWeatherBug3: I don't think weatherbug.com makes use pf PWS'
Weatherflow: The hardware product has not yet been released to market, coming in June.
VWS: Virtual Weather Station, I think this is for pulling data from Ambient Weather's Virtual Weather Station product? If so, it is only supported by a limited range of devices, which all start around $600-$800 USD and go up from there.
Buienradar: Pulls satellite data only? Dutch.
YR Weather: Pulls data from a Norwegian weather source only (I think).

Now of course most of these products collect data from sources other than just personal weather stations, so data collection hasn't ground to a halt.

But I live in Brisbane, Australia and the Bureau of Meteorology service here is terrible. Forecasts are rarely ever accurate and measured temperatures and rainfall come from weather stations far away that don't reflect conditions in the city. Our one and only rain radar was recently offline for close to three months. So I'm pretty keen on being able to collect my own data and get accurate rainfall measurements.

AmbientWeather.net is the cloud based data collection service for devices purchased through ambientweather.com, it provides API access. I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the plugin description pages.

I don't think you can register for the service until you've actually purchased the hardware?

Do any plugins make use of ambientweather.net? Anyone planning to do so in the future?

I'm (very) new here so please excuse any inaccuracies.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 07:14 AM
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That is a real disappointment losing access to the Weather Underground API. I thought it was strange yesterday when my HSTouch panels were showing Snow as the current conditions and it was 80 degrees outside.

I have disabled the WU Weather plugin I was using,
https://github.com/dk307/HSPI_WUWeather

Luckily I have a Rachio sprinkler controller and that has weather data in order to control how much to water the garden. The UltraRachio3 plugin pulls this weather data into Homeseer. I will need to update all of my HSTouch screens to use this data instead.

It does look however that Rachio itself uses Weather Underground data since the weather station codes look the same. At the moment Rachio is free to use once you have purchased their hardware. I hope that they do not pass along any weather costs they may incur going forwards as a monthly fee.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 10:11 AM
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Well that's a shame. I just ordered a Ambient Weather station too! I'll have to see what happens with the API thing and costs etc. Might be time to look for a new weather service.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 10:25 AM
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...... Might be time to look for a new weather service.

They are certainly out there, but they all seem to be fee based (at least with respect to the API).
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Old May 16th, 2018, 10:31 AM
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They are certainly out there, but they all seem to be fee based (at least with respect to the API).
Well I can still login to my WU account and it shows my API key as still valid. I wonder for how long. There's a TON of reports, here and all over the internet about BAD data coming from the API system. Seems like the changes are in progress.

I think this line in the announcement says all we need to know "an IBM business".
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Old May 16th, 2018, 10:52 AM
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I was wondering the same. My WeatherXML still works with my WU key.

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Old May 16th, 2018, 11:46 AM
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Is it now possible that someone would be interested in creating a plugin that can connect directly to our weather stations? I may be all wet but I would like to know the why's if it is not possible, just out of curiosity.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 11:49 AM
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I have an ambient weather station and it connects to ambientweather.net and it shows all the readings. Is it possible to create something based on that?
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Old May 16th, 2018, 12:04 PM
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I have been looking at ambient weather stations. I am not sure if their API has forecast data. Depending on the weather station you have there is a data page for current conditions built into the observer module that could be used to get current condition info. I will try to look into ambients API some more when I get home from church this evening.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 12:07 PM
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Is it now possible that someone would be interested in creating a plugin that can connect directly to our weather stations? I may be all wet but I would like to know the why's if it is not possible, just out of curiosity.
As far as I can tell, my AmbientWeather station does not have a live weather page or direct API access to the data. There are models that have live data. It only posts to WU and AmbientWeather.net. Ambient provides access to the AmbientWeather.net data through an API.

While Ambient provides access to the data and/or certain models provide live data, neither of those solutions will provide forecasts and alerts. I will need to find a way to get that data, as I have some automation based on forecast information.

I have not received any notice from WU regarding my API key use, nor have there been any problems as of this post.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 01:07 PM
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As far as I can tell, my AmbientWeather station does not have a live weather page or direct API access to the data. There are models that have live data. It only posts to WU and AmbientWeather.net. Ambient provides access to the AmbientWeather.net data through an API.

While Ambient provides access to the data and/or certain models provide live data, neither of those solutions will provide forecasts and alerts. I will need to find a way to get that data, as I have some automation based on forecast information.

I have not received any notice from WU regarding my API key use, nor have there been any problems as of this post.
As an FYI, I'm getting snow temperatures as well here and there and is about 70 outside but no notification from them that something is changing.

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Mine is currently still working and I also have not received a notification of termination, though the post on their site definitely suggests that this is all over .
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Old May 16th, 2018, 01:29 PM
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On the WU forums a user asked if those who upload their data from their weather station would still have access to the API.

Tim Roche, Official Rep answered
"You will no longer have access to the PWS data through the API. You will however have access to the data on your PWS page if you click the table view, you will see a download option."
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Old May 16th, 2018, 01:44 PM
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It only posts to WU and AmbientWeather.net. Ambient provides access to the AmbientWeather.net data through an API.

If that is the case then could there be a plugin made if the API info is available?
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Old May 16th, 2018, 02:13 PM
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If that is the case then could there be a plugin made if the API info is available?
The API is mentioned at the bottom of this page. It states "If you are a programmer and familiar with JSON data format, and would like to integrate your application directly with the API, email support@AmbientWeather.com"
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Old May 16th, 2018, 02:13 PM
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If that is the case then could there be a plugin made if the API info is available?

Maybe there is hope:


"AmbientWeather API (beta) RESTful And Real-Time APIs.

Retrieve your own real-time and historical personal weather station data, or build 3rd party apps and get data from multiple devices.

The Ambient Weather Network API makes it easy for programmers to integrate historical and present weather data into the application you design, generated by the devices you have set up at AmbientWeather.net.

If you are a programmer and familiar with JSON data format, and would like to integrate your application directly with the API, email support@AmbientWeather.com with your weather station's MAC address, and we will grant you a developer's license. There is no charge. Once approved, your developer key will appear on your dashboard.
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https://www.ambientweather.com/community.html
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Old May 16th, 2018, 02:28 PM
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Maybe there is hope:


"AmbientWeather API (beta) RESTful And Real-Time APIs.

Retrieve your own real-time and historical personal weather station data, or build 3rd party apps and get data from multiple devices.

The Ambient Weather Network API makes it easy for programmers to integrate historical and present weather data into the application you design, generated by the devices you have set up at AmbientWeather.net.

If you are a programmer and familiar with JSON data format, and would like to integrate your application directly with the API, email support@AmbientWeather.com with your weather station's MAC address, and we will grant you a developer's license. There is no charge. Once approved, your developer key will appear on your dashboard.
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Above quote taken from:

https://www.ambientweather.com/community.html

Now were talking. Any takers on taking a shot at this. I am not a programmer so it will have to be one of you guys.
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Old May 16th, 2018, 06:04 PM
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Is it now possible that someone would be interested in creating a plugin that can connect directly to our weather stations? I may be all wet but I would like to know the why's if it is not possible, just out of curiosity.
Looks like my next plugin project!
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Old May 17th, 2018, 11:17 AM
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Looks like my next plugin project!

Now that's what I am talking about. Thanks John.
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Old May 17th, 2018, 11:21 AM
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So, it looks like free APIs will no longer be available from Wundergound.com:

https://www.wunderground.com/weather/api

Also posted to their forums:

https://apicommunity.wunderground.co...nd-api-changes

I only discovered this while trying to setup the WeatherXML.

It's also unclear how free APIs will be affected going forward, whether they will be grandfathered in or not.
According to the official rep on the fourm, the existing keys will continue to work (mine is).

Will existing free keys still work? And if not, when will they be turned off?
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for the time being, free keys will continue to work. We will update you if that changes.
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