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Old August 26th, 2017, 12:56 PM
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Though I agree with what you say, your delivery makes it hard to care what you have to say.

Mainstream cloud computing has been in the making for the better part of a decade (if not longer), couple that with companies moving everything to the cloud (I work for a very large online auction site and I am in the middle of many projects moving from in house to cloud solutions), the train has started and though not impossible, it is highly improbable that we can stop that train.

iOT devices have taken this concept and have grown on it. This started way before iOT or cloud services though. Think of satellite TV late 90's to early 2000s. You initially just bought the hardware and owned it... then you have what you have now. You still pay for the equipment as if you bought it, but you don't own it, still in a year contract and have to give the equipment back. Talk about buying something you don't own.

We have been doing this for years, and I agree the concept is dumb, except companies wouldn't be doing it, if they weren't making money off of it. Voting with your wallet is probably the most powerful way to vote (hell look at real politics and how money is thrown around there), and the majority of people have voted.

You have a great POV about one voice making a difference and I hope it happens, but if I had to bet, I would bet that info sharing isn't going away and the idea of online privacy is and never was there. Google and Facebook wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for info sharing/selling except in a paid membership model. In fact, I would even go as far to say the internet itself would be on a much smaller scale if we were able to completely remove info gathering.

Another example would be Amazon Echo. Maybe 10 years ago, a device like that wouldn't sell at all and put people in an uproar. Now things have shifted and people not only don't care, they buy into it with ease.


I'm at a point in my life and age where being PC matters very little to me. Speaking truth to power is what I am all about.

Having been involved in the technology world for more than 30 years I have great insight and experience.

If this thread speaking about Sonos perversion of the EULA agreement to its end users cause them to rethink and change their terms.

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Old August 26th, 2017, 01:01 PM
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Sonos is a over priced WiFi box that offers simple connectivity for the general public. To think people actually believe these box's are at par with true speaker manufacturers is quite laughable.
Wait who said these weren't good quality speakers? I absolutely love my Sonos and while I'm not a audiophile and never will be, these speaker so what they do very well and sound very good. Now back on topic. If you do not want Sonos capturing your data then it's as simple as not purchasing there hardware and if you own it sell it to those of us that could care less.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 01:36 PM
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Wait who said these weren't good quality speakers?

99% of audiophiles of say this. Only the one's paid to be part of the Sonos television advertisements state how they have replaced their recording studio speakers for Sonos these days.

I have not purchased a Sonos here and continue to utilized my Russound Zoned amplifiers wired to the home in wall speakers. I do not utilize these for my total immersion to my 7.1 system (with 7.1 external and wired speakers). The music server here is still using the Logitech Media Server which originally was the Squeeze box server which today is still being maintained and open sourced just about anything.

I do keep some old audio stuff around (guess a bit of an antique collector here). Up until the 80's had a large radio console with a cat's eye on it which was an interesting sight.

I am not knocking Sonos as it integrates well with Homeseer. (its a nice plug n play media server with wired and wireless speakers)

Relating to EULA it's a simple agreement and relating to any cloud connected device.

It is what it is.

You accept it and use it or you do not use it.

You still today have a choice. More than likely in the future you will not have a choice.

It is mostly the baby boomers that still remember the choices and the current yut that honestly don't even know or care these days.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 02:34 PM
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Wait who said these weren't good quality speakers?

99% of audiophiles of say this. Only the one's paid to be part of the Sonos television advertisements state how they have replaced their recording studio speakers for Sonos these days.

I have not purchased a Sonos here and continue to utilized my Russound Zoned amplifiers wired to the home in wall speakers. I do not utilize these for my total immersion to my 7.1 system (with 7.1 external and wired speakers). The music server here is still using the Logitech Media Server which originally was the Squeeze box server which today is still being maintained and open sourced just about anything.

I do keep some old audio stuff around (guess a bit of an antique collector here). Up until the 80's had a large radio console with a cat's eye on it which was an interesting sight.

I am not knocking Sonos as it integrates well with Homeseer. (its a nice plug n play media server with wired and wireless speakers)

Relating to EULA it's a simple agreement and relating to any cloud connected device.

It is what it is.

You accept it and use it or you do not use it.

You still today have a choice. More than likely in the future you will not have a choice.

It is mostly the baby boomers that still remember the choices and the current yut that honestly don't even know or care these days.


Pete is spot on in the above. Keeping in mind I'm not replying from a snobby audiophile point of view even though the gear I have in place could very well place me in said category.

Most people have no concept of what true sound fidelity is or sounds like.


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We seem to have gone down two different roads in this thread. To be quite honest, the information that Sonos can gather on me is far less of a concern than what Google does. I am more concerned that a small and increasingly intrusive and powerful group of companies can control the flow of information. Between social media and search engines the information I am able to find and express can be redirected, silenced and manipulated based upon what they believe I should see or say.

With regard to Sonos as a product, it works very well. When the vast majority of sources people listen to are compressed streams of 128-256kbs data, knocking Sonos' speaker quality rings a little hollow. Sonos speakers are actually quite good for their size, though I went the route of Sonos CONNECT:AMPS with my own speakers. The beauty of Sonos is that it brings together a large number of streaming audio services, through a well-designed user interface, allowing it to be played (properly synced) across a large number of disparate devices. Day in, day out it just works, no issues, no hiccups with decent sound quality, especially considering it is all wireless.

While I have a couple of rooms with very good audio equipment, for the vast majority of the time, we put a Pandora, Amazon or Tidal stream throughout the house on Sonos. When we stream a FLAC ripped CD off of our own server the actual sound quality from the Sonos amp is on par with the original CD played through our high-end audio equipment - both using the same speakers.
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Most people have no concept of what true sound fidelity is or sounds like.
Or care, apparently. The overwhelming preference for heavily compressed mp3 files on portable players (combined with ear buds) is a clear indication of where the mass market for audio resides.

On the other hand, recreating the sound of a live performance is extremely challenging, especially in a room designed for other purposes. For most of us, that task has been assigned to the imagination of the listener, rather than the quality of the sound system.
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Old August 26th, 2017, 04:17 PM
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Or care, apparently. The overwhelming preference for heavily compressed mp3 files on portable players (combined with ear buds) is a clear indication of where the mass market for audio resides.

On the other hand, recreating the sound of a live performance is extremely challenging, especially in a room designed for other purposes. For most of us, that task has been assigned to the imagination of the listener, rather than the quality of the sound system.
Don't get me wrong my reply was from the perspective of true sound fidelity. There will always be conditions someone wants a cheap pair of headphones, BLE speaker, to Sonos.

I don't hate its about having options and choices.

Sonos, as the other member noted has brought to market a very solid product that offers all the bells and whistles the mass public wants. In the big picture having products that meet a users price point is important. Because not everyone is made of money or see the value in spending 10K for a set of speakers.

What I take issue is when people from both sides of the spectrum push off to the masses that their over priced product is at the same quality and sound fidelity of other known products.

As an aside this has also been seen in the high end Esoteric realm. Where *Stupid* really has a new meaning because these people truly have more money then common sense!

They believe a 5K piece of wire with some marketing fairy dust that says it will open the heavens if you unload said 5K for the experience! So the market has both extremes and most of us know this.

Back on topic: If there are more threads about Sono's EULA requirements perhaps this open discussion will shame them into changing course.
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